Eotech Users

Dogboy

Dogboy

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Ok here's another question for those AR guys who use the Eotech or similiar optics on your AR..

Do you find this system effective for running coyotes, if so how far out have you engaged coyotes with this type of optic???? Running or standing targets?

Your overall opinion on this type of optic for calling??

Thanks in advance.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Dogboy,

I'm looking at the Bushnell version and have been wondering the same thing. Eotech is Bushnells better version of the same system. Just not shrouded and rated for submersion.


In addition to his ?? can you use the Eotech 3x and 4x magnifier with the Bushnell version. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif



Like so;


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Dave
 
never had my bushnell holo site on an ar but love it for shooting. both eyes open. no magnification, fast and accurate. it is more accurate than open sites, and have shot great groups at200 yrds with it. now it sits on my 44 mag revolver and i shoot 7 inch groups at 100 yrd off my sticks, love my raging bull with its 8 inch barrel.
now I need a couple more of these sites for all the guns I have had it on and taken it off of. it was great on the turkey gun and on the mini 14. off course the mini 14 has had a lot of work done to it including a dauglas barrel and it is a shooter.
Cracker
 
I didn't much care for my eotech on my AR as a stand alone for still critters let alone moving ones. It was originally purchased for my shotgun but i didn't like it on there either. From what i hear from Byron South, The eotech with a magnifier is a whole nother critter.
 
I have two Eotechs atop ARs and find them very easy to locate targets fast but have as yet shot at a running anything with them.
The effective range for them would vary depending on the situation but I think a 200 yd shot at a standing coyote would not be a problem assuming a decent rest. You could add 150 yds. to that with the 3 or 4x magnifier. The Aimpoint M3, ML3 and the like have a much crisper dot whereas the Eotechs that I have are a little fuzzy and probably not as precise as the Aimpoints.
I wouldn't see why the magnifiers would not work with the Bushnells but a call to the Eotech customer service line would be your best bet.
I know the Aimpoint magnifiers will work with the Eotechs but not the other way around.

One of my primary predator guns is set up with an Eotech and I really like it, works great in brushy areas where shots will be quick also has the advantage in failing light.

Good luck fellas
 
Ken,
I considered going that route with my Comp ML2 and came across this combo...
Po Boy mag

It will save you over $400 from the Aimpoint 3X and swing-away LaRue mount combo. Not sure if it will jive with an Eotech or not though...

For perspective, the USO SN4 1-4X offers the same true 1X reflex red dot capability as an Eotech or Aimpoint with 4X zoom at the twist of the wrist. All in one bulletproof package. I know you knew that already /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I shot a coyote at around 200yd with an older generation Eotech. It's dot was fuzzy, but still worked as intended! My current Eotech has a crisper dot and I wouldn't hesitate to bust a coyote at 100yd with it, maybe more. If you want long range optics you don't need to be looking at reflex sights anyway! Get a low powered scope like a 2-7 and call it good if you want to have both ends of the spectrum covered. Otherwise just wait for 'em to get a little closer...

On another note, I've heard that some eye conditions can contribute to poor success with red dot scopes. I have an astigmatism and one of my red dot scopes is a red smudge scope when I look through it! My son sees a nice dot though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
I have shot a friends AR at the range with an Eotech sight. Smacked a 2ft. gong at 340 yds. consistently with it. It was sighted in at 300 yds.. Just put the red dot on target let her rip! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I used a 552 Eotech with a 4x Flip to side magnifier for about 4 months last season and it worked awesome for both still and running shots. I missed one running shot on a coyote and 1 still shot on a gray fox. The running shot miss was with the 4x magnifier in place at about 150 yds and the still shot miss was without the magnifier and a frontal at appx 85 yds. The only thing that I didn't like about the Eotech setup is that between it and the 4x Magnifier the system weighs slightly over 29 ounces with 2AA batteries installed. With it mounted on my AR the total weight was over 11 pounds which pretty much forced me to shoot completely from sticks. Nothing wrong with that but a few times this season I had the opportunity for a standing offhand shot and was unable to hold the AR steady enough to take the shot.

If an effort to lighten up my AR I have replaced the A2 buttstock with a lighter adjustable one. I replaced the free float tube with a carbon fiber one and switched out the Eotech and magnifier with a TA31ECOS ACOG. With these 3 changes I have reduced the weight of my AR by 2 pounds which makes it much more manageable for off hand shooting and carying it all day. Of all the ACOGs the TA31ECOS was the only one that had a reticle that I liked and comes with a flip lever mounting system.

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It also has back up iron sights and a 7MOA Doctor red dot scope mounted on top which is set parallex free at 40 yds. At first I thought that 7MOA would be too large but at 40 yds it's only about 3" and looks to work perfect for close up shots where they slip up on you. The whole scope including the Doctor weighs 15 ozs and doesn't require batteries.

Comparing the ACOG ECOS to the Eotech setup is a toss up as I am very impressed by both. Right now the nod goes to the ECOS because of the reduced weight and no batteries required. I won't know for sure though until I use it on a few hunts but from just zeroing the ECOS and Doctor in I think that I am in for a treat. I don't think though that I will be getting rid of the Eotech but will save it for my next lighter weight upper.
 
A guy has to work alot of overtime to strap one of those ACOGS to his black rifle! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif Beautiful optics and no batteries! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
Hey Ken, I highly recommend giving this one a try. http://www.swfa.com/pc-10714-1395-millett-1-4x24-dms-tactical-30mm-riflescope.aspx

Much more versatile than the EoTech even with it's magnifier. The donut recticle is smaller and more precise than the illustration in the ad. It looks great on an AR too. I might buy another one for my FN FS2000.

I bought mine and a 30mm Model 1 mount and slapped on a M4 flat top. Went to laser bore sight and it was dead center out of the box. I adjusted it a few clicks so the laser was a little bit lower in the recticle at 25yds, went to the range and it was about three clicks to left at 100 yds. Easiest sight in I've ever had. I think it is much better than the EoTech in a hunting scenario. It has the perfect power range for your type of terrain. Target acquisition is fast. Speed shooting my 10 inch gong offhand was a piece of cake. There is enough magnification for the occasional longer shot too. Only complaint is I'd replace the scope covers with Butler Creek. The stock ones get the job done though. Anyway, something to think about.

Good hunting
 
Many thanks guys, great info and solid opinions... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Curt I've looked at that scope several times... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If I don't go Eotech, it will be very similiar to the Millet.

Don't need no monster scope on there for what I'll be doing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I think you've seen this one before...It's been working for me for quite some time.
The Burris on top is great for long range/standing still shots, but when a close runner shows up it's almost impossible to get on him with the big scope.
The Eotech is fast getting on target and with the holographic dot its very easy to hold it on fur while holding the gun sideways.
I know it looks sill but very effective.


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I never saw that setup before Larry, but interesting and of course if it works that's all that matters... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Around here turning your weapon sideways is called the "gangster grip".... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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This is the same thing I am going to do, but I am using a reflex... its a little smaller, but will be used in the same manner! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Around here turning your weapon sideways is called the "gangster grip"....



/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I gave him grief about the same thing the first time I saw that setup. I kept looking at it skeptically across the truck in between stands and in general giving him the business. About half way through the day day we took a little range session up against a bank. He let me shoot it, and although it was hard to keep a straight face holding the thing sideways, it was surprisingly (to me, not to Larry) accurate. I still haven't had an opportunity to see him go "gangster" with it on a coyote, but there's no doubt in my mind that it will get the job done on the ones that flash through your stand and dissapear before you can get a scope on them. I still grin when I see it though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Larry's not a lefty but I am and the way he has it set up keeps his trigger hand toward the outside of his body and coming over the top. When I shot it I had to come in from underneath and the trigger was in the middle of my chest....and it still worked. You can't really get a good cheek weld though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Edited to add...
I'm going with a 512 and 3X magnifier on my new rig....if I ever get it done.
 
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Mr Dogboy

Just noticing that your looking at an ar. I too am getting the disease. Just wondering what you are looking at or if you have decided on one?
 
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