facist cops disarm soldier

Rigdon, send the video to your in-law and see what he says. If he agrees with you then, I'll buy you a beer the next time I see you.

I maintain the guy was out of line. This is coming from a guy that had his jaw broken with a night stick in the back of a PD cruiser while cuffed when I was 20 something for just being a smarta$$. So I know what badge heavy means.

Once again just an opinion and worth every penny I'm charging for it.
 
What else can I say. I would have asked my old man how he would have handled it, but he passed away in 09. He was a LEO for over 30 years. The fact of the matter is, he was not breaking the law!

Hunter Rigdon
 
Like said earlier was there a dash cam to see it from the begining. Also did he edit his own video to get just what he wanted the public to see? If someone called in and if it was a 911 they have to respond.
 
Don't know about how the soldier part comes into play other than by attempting to craft a pejorative title for your post.

Dude was acting like a total [beeep], lost his cool and all. I'm guessing his mouth put him into the position he ultimately wound up in. I'd wager that had he simply maintained a conversational voice with the officer, let the officer go about explaining the reason for the stop and take care of what needed to be done, he'd have been on his way. He had a camera going, if he wanted to argue 4th amendment issues he could have easily still done so, but without talking himself into a ride to jail. There was a mention about people calling a report of a man with a gun, but no further details.

At the end of the day the only thing the video shows is somebody who appears emotionally excited and becomes increasingly disrespectful and excited.

As for the disarming, if they have reason to detain him they can disarm him.

If it was a simple consensual encounter it'd be a different manner.

As for the idea that the officer could have asked him to remove the weapon himself, uh no. Good way to run the risk of getting shot.

The officer's tactics leave much to be desired, however.

So you can split it into two different ways. 1) Subject was being detained without lawful cause. 2) There was reasonable suspicion to detain subject. In either case, how is displaying increased emotionally volatility and disrespect going to improve subject's position?

There are people who are professional agitators that will repeatedly poke a sleeping bear. Then they scream out when they get mauled?

Ultimately the argument boils down to wether or not it is a lawful stop or not and if not, was it based on poor judgement/training by the officer or was there nefarious intent? For people that want to pull the "from my cold dead hand" argument, is it worth getting dead because someone made a mistake?

Something to consider from the other side of the coin. If the officers were responding to a critical incident where subject walking down the road matches description of suspect involved, but subject is otherwise unaware of this, the portrayed response to the officer would be a good way to get yourself injured or dead.

Long story short: Cooler heads would have prevailed.
 
Bronco,
I agree with you with you. We are at a time when expressing our second amendment right are seen as an act of aggression.

I have been stopped by officers before for open carry which is legal in Wisconsin this was due to a passer by seeing my side arm. They even came back when the officer arrived. After talking with the officer and complying with his instructions we talked with the passer by and explained that I was with in my legal rights, which they did not know. After which the person apologized to both me and the officer.

I explained that no apology was needed you were doing what you felt was right as a good citizen. At that point she got in her car and drove away. The officer thanked me for being patient and apologized for the inconvenience. I replied that there was no inconvenience. He politely handed my weapon back to me and told me to have a nice day in which I replied same to you.

Unfortunately there are those out there that do not know or understand the laws and want to be good citizen. We as gun owner need to have some restraint in our actions no matter how idiotic the person is. By both arm and unarmed citizen standing together with a clear understanding that we have rights just as they have rights. How you or I express those right are our own as long as it is with in the law.
 
My state is open carry also. But,, we are subject to city ordinance. So you better know the citys' rules before you stroll in to town strapped.
 
It is legal to carry a long gun in Texas so long as it is not done in a manner which is calculated to cause alarm. Handguns may be carried concealed with a CCP.

Unfortunately, in this day and time, SOMEONE is quite likely to "become alarmed" upon seeing an individual walking down a public road carrying a rifle that resembles an "assault" rifle, (whether or not that was the intent in this case) even in Texas.

Will be intersting to see how this one plays out


Quote:There is no legal statute specifically prohibiting the carry of a firearm other than a handgun, although there is debate as to whether doing so constitutes "disorderly conduct" (which defines an offense, in part, as "displaying a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to cause alarm"). Open carry of a handgun in public is generally illegal in Texas due to PC 46.02; exceptions are detailed in that section and in 46.15, and include when the carrier is on property he/she owns or has lawful control over, while legally hunting, or while participating in some gun-related public event such as a gun show (most such shows require guns brought in by patrons to be unloaded and tagged such that ammunition cannot be chambered, for safety reasons). A permit to carry concealed is thus required to carry a handgun in public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

Regards,
hm
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996 It is legal to carry a long gun in Texas so long as it is not done in a manner which is calculated to cause alarm. Handguns may be carried concealed with a CCP.

Unfortunately, in this day and time, SOMEONE is quite likely to "become alarmed" upon seeing an individual walking down a public road carrying a rifle that resembles an "assault" rifle, (whether or not that was the intent in this case) even in Texas.

Will be intersting to see how this one plays out


Quote:There is no legal statute specifically prohibiting the carry of a firearm other than a handgun, although there is debate as to whether doing so constitutes "disorderly conduct" (which defines an offense, in part, as "displaying a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to cause alarm"). Open carry of a handgun in public is generally illegal in Texas due to PC 46.02; exceptions are detailed in that section and in 46.15, and include when the carrier is on property he/she owns or has lawful control over, while legally hunting, or while participating in some gun-related public event such as a gun show (most such shows require guns brought in by patrons to be unloaded and tagged such that ammunition cannot be chambered, for safety reasons). A permit to carry concealed is thus required to carry a handgun in public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

Regards,
hm

But that has nothing to do with what they charged him with... He was arrested refusing a search and eventually charged with interfering with an investigation.
 
I'll repost my comment from a similar thread, rather than retyping the whole thing....Quote:This was an example of what I was taught as an "Egocentonic" situation...Where a person of authority takes a position that is perceived by the subject as wrong, or improper, and by each standing on their perceived beliefs, the situation escalates to an unreasonable ending...

Had the officer really been concerned about is immediate safety, he could have well asked that the rifle be place on the ground and completed his initial interview...Since he acknowledged grabbing the weapon initially, I have to think he overstepped to start off...And things escalated from there to his fault...

I saw no signs of a "Resisting Arrest" charge by the laws with which I'm familiar...and have a hard time understanding why the subject was taken from the scene...I fault the supervisor on the scene for allowing it to proceed to that point...Anyone that has been detained, secured, and "arrested" can legally be 'unarrested' when common sense dictates it is the proper way to go...
....Having been in similar situations as the officer, as well as having been a supervisor, I think the whole incident was handled wrong, unless there was some underlying factor at the start, with which we are not privy to...When you get a call from a concerned citizen, you have a duty to investigate, but what happens from that point on, is totally dependent on the attitude of both parties...
 
As a father why would you remotely take the chance of putting your child in harms way over something silly as this?? Thank goodness it didnt,, but "what if" the situation had escalated and the child was serious injured or worse.I dont think this guy would be crowing like a rooster.A little common sense goes a long ways sometimes.
 
Originally Posted By: bosco This is how it should have went down.

Where's the entertainment value in that video? He doesn't become unhinged and start screaming and telling the cops to "shut up."
 
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