Fast twist 22-250

Originally Posted By: WyoBullYotarunner, I completely understand what you are saying given that you already have 22-250 brass, reloading components etc. I would also add that the 243 Win will shoot those 55 gr bullets 4000 fps and one could argue it could be equally as good, if not a better dedicated coyote caliber than the 22-250. A lot of people have shot the 243 Win as such for many, many years.

It is a new caliber for me in my arsenal as while I have been around them for years, I have never owned one until recently and wonder why I did not have one until now. It fills the gap between my 220 Swift and 7mm RUM very nicely and shooting that Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet, I would not hesitate to take it on any hunt for deer size game and below.

Good luck with your build and let us know how you come out on it.

I'm well aware of the capabilities of 243. I have the 6mm creed and BR and so far am not a huge fan of their capabilities on coyotes for my hunting style.
I also have many other hunting calibers so although I'm sure it would work in a pinch I don't feel the need to shoot deer with a coyote gun
 
Originally Posted By: WyoBullYotarunner, I completely understand what you are saying given that you already have 22-250 brass, reloading components etc. I would also add that the 243 Win will shoot those 55 gr bullets 4000 fps and one could argue it could be equally as good, if not a better dedicated coyote caliber than the 22-250. A lot of people have shot the 243 Win as such for many, many years.

It is a new caliber for me in my arsenal as while I have been around them for years, I have never owned one until recently and wonder why I did not have one until now. It fills the gap between my 220 Swift and 7mm RUM very nicely and shooting that Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet, I would not hesitate to take it on any hunt for deer size game and below.

Good luck with your build and let us know how you come out on it.

Another fact to consider, (which is why we choose the .224 cal over the 6 for Coyotes), is fur damage, any time you introduce a larger diameter bullet with an increase in velocity is a recipe for disaster, when trying to keep fur in tact. Of course bullet selection does play a part, but like I said, larger bullet + faster FPS = bigger holes.
 
Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: WyoBullYotarunner, I completely understand what you are saying given that you already have 22-250 brass, reloading components etc. I would also add that the 243 Win will shoot those 55 gr bullets 4000 fps and one could argue it could be equally as good, if not a better dedicated coyote caliber than the 22-250. A lot of people have shot the 243 Win as such for many, many years.

It is a new caliber for me in my arsenal as while I have been around them for years, I have never owned one until recently and wonder why I did not have one until now. It fills the gap between my 220 Swift and 7mm RUM very nicely and shooting that Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet, I would not hesitate to take it on any hunt for deer size game and below.

Good luck with your build and let us know how you come out on it.

Another fact to consider, (which is why we choose the .224 cal over the 6 for Coyotes), is fur damage, any time you introduce a larger diameter bullet with an increase in velocity is a recipe for disaster, when trying to keep fur in tact. Of course bullet selection does play a part, but like I said, larger bullet + faster FPS = bigger holes.

Absolutely and your statement about bullet selection is a key point. I have been shooting the 220 Swift since the late 70's and I can't tell you how many blow outs I have had with it shooting many, many type bullets over that timeframe. After finding the right bullet after trying a lot of them, I don't get blow outs now as long as I do my job and hit them center mass.

With my 243 and the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, while I have not shot a coyote yet with it as I just recently got it together, I would be very surprised if there is any more damage than one would get with a 22 cal bullet just because of how Barnes bullets perform, which is why I chose that bullet for it.

Trust me, I am not trying to convince any of you guys to shoot what I do, just throwing other suggestions out there. I have multiple 22 caliber centerfire calibers that I shoot and they all have their positive and negative aspects.
 
Originally Posted By: WyoBull

Absolutely and your statement about bullet selection is a key point. I have been shooting the 220 Swift since the late 70's and I can't tell you how many blow outs I have had with it shooting many, many type bullets over that timeframe. After finding the right bullet after trying a lot of them, I don't get blow outs now as long as I do my job and hit them center mass.

With my 243 and the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, while I have not shot a coyote yet with it as I just recently got it together, I would be very surprised if there is any more damage than one would get with a 22 cal bullet just because of how Barnes bullets perform, which is why I chose that bullet for it.

Trust me, I am not trying to convince any of you guys to shoot what I do, just throwing other suggestions out there. I have multiple 22 caliber centerfire calibers that I shoot and they all have their positive and negative aspects.



What's your load data for the TTSX, I am assuming they are very similar to the CEB Raptors that we use, but I'm finding the monolithic solids are tougher to load for if you are into sub half minute loads.
 
Originally Posted By: skinney

Honestly it's nothing new to us as we've been running them for years now. Great shooters, and awesome coyote killers.

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What bullet do you guys use? CEB Raptor 60gr?
 
I'm kind of in the middle on slow versus fast twist and the other things associated. I'd much rather spring up one caliber in many instances than try to shoot heavy for caliber bullets with a faster twist.

IIRC, someone here recently mentioned the Tikka 22-250 with the 8" twist barrel. I bought one of the stainless Tikka rifles on the 24HCF special at Whittakers Guns a couple of years ago, and I played with it for awhile. It never really tripped my trigger, and now its a safe sitter while I continue to shoot the "old and obsolete" 14" twist 22-250 rifles with 55 grain lead tipped spitzer bullets that are proven coyote killers over the years.

My issue with a case like a 22-250 and heavy bullets is that there is a tipping point for efficiency, and once you go over that point, you're shooting a 22-250 with the trajectory of a 30-30. That's not why I shoot a 22-250. If I need more umph, I'll jump up to a larger case or even to a larger caliber such as something in the 6MM/.243 bore diameter versus the .224 bore diameter.

Having the reloading equipment say a lot for staying with the 22-250 case.

JMO.
 
I agree with Winny Fan. I prefer lighter fast bullets. (Old school I guess.) If I need a bigger bullet, I get a bigger caliber.
 
Originally Posted By: pyscodogI agree with Winny Fan. I prefer lighter fast bullets. (Old school I guess.) If I need a bigger bullet, I get a bigger caliber.

I've been in the same camp for years.
 
So far, my Tikka 22-250, 1-8" is shooting the best groups (100 yds) with a 40 gr Nosler or V-max. Groups are opening up at 200 yds more than I like. I may have to dig thru my bullet supply and see if I can find some 55 gr bullets to try.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny Fanyou're shooting a 22-250 with the trajectory of a 30-30. That's not why I shoot a 22-250.

Ooook , you should check the specs

A 75gr Hornady ELDm can be pushed to 3300 fps from a 22" 22-250 (1:8t)

This bullet retains velocity very well, and offers 4" less bullet drop at 400 yards than a 55gr soft point @ 3650 fps (200y zero for both)

Wind deflection at 500 yards is almost triple with the 55gr soft point

She ain't no 30-30
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Ooook.... I'm sure that they do.

For starters, I'll Google satirical comedy for you. It's the form of satire in which the writer uses comic elements to expose reality. To understand it, you can't take yourself too seriously.......

In real time, I just have no need to shoot coyotes at 400 yards with ELDm .224" bullets ala John Burnns. Even though some claim that they defy physics way out yonder. Coyotes can be called a lot closer if you try. To each their own.

And notice that I never said what that tipping point is, but some people have definitely crossed it in their quest for the Holy Grail by turning a cartridge into something that its not designed to do or be....in reality.

Maybe you can answer a question for me? Are Canadians allowed to have a 30-30 lever gun? For rapid fire, isn't that just one step away from an "assault weapon" north of the 49th parallel?
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Originally Posted By: nr123So far, my Tikka 22-250, 1-8" is shooting the best groups (100 yds) with a 40 gr Nosler or V-max. Groups are opening up at 200 yds more than I like. I may have to dig thru my bullet supply and see if I can find some 55 gr bullets to try.

Probably won't be easy to find any now with the way things are but if you run across any 53gr Vmax I'd give them a try. I'm shooting them in my 12tw 18in 22-250 and my 9tw 20in 223AI and they do very well in both.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: nr123So far, my Tikka 22-250, 1-8" is shooting the best groups (100 yds) with a 40 gr Nosler or V-max. Groups are opening up at 200 yds more than I like. I may have to dig thru my bullet supply and see if I can find some 55 gr bullets to try.

Probably won't be easy to find any now with the way things are but if you run across any 53gr Vmax I'd give them a try. I'm shooting them in my 12tw 18in 22-250 and my 9tw 20in 223AI and they do very well in both.

Same same with the shorter Sierra 52 grain BTHP. its a great bullet in 14" twist 22-250 rifles for normal hunting applications.
 
The 52 and 53 SMK's have always been two bullets that shoot extremely well. Even in fast twist long freebore setups where they are jumping a ton I've seen them still shoot well.

They're a pretty tough bullet with a rather small meplat so I'm not sure they'd be my first choice as a coyote bullet but I think they would definitely be easier on fur than most of the tipped thin jacket bullets.
 
Originally Posted By: B23The 52 and 53 SMK's have always been two bullets that shoot extremely well. Even in fast twist long freebore setups where they are jumping a ton I've seen them still shoot well.

They're a pretty tough bullet with a rather small meplat so I'm not sure they'd be my first choice as a coyote bullet but I think they would definitely be easier on fur than most of the tipped thin jacket bullets.

All spoken with a straight tongue, Kemo Sabe....
 
The 1/8 twist is about versatility. You can run 50s or you can run 80s. You can't do that with a 1/14 twist which is commonly found on a .22-250. I mentioned earlier that I was running 75 grainers. A 75 grain bonded bullet makes for a decent deer round. Now, my coyote rifle is also a contender as a deer rifle.
 
Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: WyoBull

Absolutely and your statement about bullet selection is a key point. I have been shooting the 220 Swift since the late 70's and I can't tell you how many blow outs I have had with it shooting many, many type bullets over that timeframe. After finding the right bullet after trying a lot of them, I don't get blow outs now as long as I do my job and hit them center mass.

With my 243 and the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, while I have not shot a coyote yet with it as I just recently got it together, I would be very surprised if there is any more damage than one would get with a 22 cal bullet just because of how Barnes bullets perform, which is why I chose that bullet for it.

Trust me, I am not trying to convince any of you guys to shoot what I do, just throwing other suggestions out there. I have multiple 22 caliber centerfire calibers that I shoot and they all have their positive and negative aspects.



What's your load data for the TTSX, I am assuming they are very similar to the CEB Raptors that we use, but I'm finding the monolithic solids are tougher to load for if you are into sub half minute loads.

I cannot remember off the top of my head how many grains of powder I am using and don't have my load data in front of me right now. I am using IMR 4064 and the load is chronographed at 3378 fps. I am using Fed 210 primers and the 80 gr TTSX bullet is seated .050 off the lands. My rifle is a Tikka T3x Superlite.

When I got the rifle I also picked up a box of factory Barnes Vor-TX using the same bullet and they advertise on the box 3350 fps. They shot 1/2 MOA right out of the box. I used a lot of Barnes bullets in other calibers so I intended to use this bullet because I have had such good luck with them. The issue I had when working up a load was that there was scarce load data available for this bullet and IMR 4064 so I started pretty low based on what I could find and worked up.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOoook.... I'm sure that they do.

For starters, I'll Google satirical comedy for you. It's the form of satire in which the writer uses comic elements to expose reality. To understand it, you can't take yourself too seriously.......

In real time, I just have no need to shoot coyotes at 400 yards with ELDm .224" bullets ala John Burnns. Even though some claim that they defy physics way out yonder. Coyotes can be called a lot closer if you try. To each their own.

And notice that I never said what that tipping point is, but some people have definitely crossed it in their quest for the Holy Grail by turning a cartridge into something that its not designed to do or be....in reality.

Maybe you can answer a question for me? Are Canadians allowed to have a 30-30 lever gun? For rapid fire, isn't that just one step away from an "assault weapon" north of the 49th parallel?
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Why do you have to throw reason into all this. Like people who want gun control, It doesn't make sense but I don't care. I want it haha.
This unit would be a fairly specialty gun used in only a few spots and longer range coyotes over bait. My avg engagement distance is roughly 150 yards which I will continue to use my 222.
Don't even attempt to understand our gun control. I live here and still don't get it. Can't hunt with my ar15 but I can take a tavor or ACR no problem. Can't have an M1a but can have a garand. Right now I'm allowed to keep my ar15 but not allowed to use it.
 
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