I've been using a CZ 452 Scout for a couple of years and loving it. My boys are getting to the age for them to start shooting soon so I'll have to go back to the 452 American. I put Eric Brooks trigger kits in both of them, I'll have to tighten the spring on the Scout for the boys until they get older. I use Winchester Subsonics, they don't even quit cutting when I shoot one out of the same tree they are in. If I use standard or HV the greys scatter at first shot. Wish I had more of them.