I'm confused on which type of scope I want for long range hunting I know the ffp is better for holding and dialing for wind but the thing I don't like about them is the retical is so small on the lower power vs the sfp on low power but the wind hold over with the second focal plane is set for max power and not sure which one to go with anybody's info would be great thanks
ffp scope vs sfp
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3DHUSKER
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If you going to long range hunt why would you be on low power. On my FFP scopes I am never under 10 power at distance, (500- 1000). Most of the time I am on 10-16 power on a 5-20x50 FFP scope.
Really it is a matter of preference. Do you know someone with good glass that you can try? Good glass is nothing under 1500 bucks and preferably more than 2000.
Really it is a matter of preference. Do you know someone with good glass that you can try? Good glass is nothing under 1500 bucks and preferably more than 2000.
Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKERIf you going to long range hunt why would you be on low power. On my FFP scopes I am never under 10 power at distance, (500- 1000). Most of the time I am on 10-16 power on a 5-20x50 FFP scope.
Really it is a matter of preference. Do you know someone with good glass that you can try? Good glass is nothing under 1500 bucks and preferably more than 2000.
It’s pretty hard to disagree with that.
Really it is a matter of preference. Do you know someone with good glass that you can try? Good glass is nothing under 1500 bucks and preferably more than 2000.
It’s pretty hard to disagree with that.
I have tried both and am back at SFP for life. It seemed I couldn’t find a good balance between the magnification I wanted at a particular range and the thickness of the reticle on the target.
I agree you aren’t going to get anything worth a [beeep] under $1500 these days. I spent many thousands learning that lesson.
My favorite scopes in the 1500-2000 range are the NXS and the new Conquest V6 3-18x50. I have deliberately tried to break the V6 and have come up short. They hit a home run with that one....
As for the NXS, the glass is good enough and I think their rep pretty much exceeds anything nice I could say. They’ll drive a dang fence post if you want.
I agree you aren’t going to get anything worth a [beeep] under $1500 these days. I spent many thousands learning that lesson.
My favorite scopes in the 1500-2000 range are the NXS and the new Conquest V6 3-18x50. I have deliberately tried to break the V6 and have come up short. They hit a home run with that one....
As for the NXS, the glass is good enough and I think their rep pretty much exceeds anything nice I could say. They’ll drive a dang fence post if you want.
Bowhntr6pt
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Unless you're milling targets on the fly, such as in a LR competition, the FFP offers NOTHING over a SFP scope IMO.
I never warmed up to them... it's SFP for me because I don't MIL targets on the fly... I just bang steel, kill hogs, coyote, and deer.
I never warmed up to them... it's SFP for me because I don't MIL targets on the fly... I just bang steel, kill hogs, coyote, and deer.
The reason he is thinking of first focal plane is, well the guy posting this is my cousin anyways we were out shooting one weekend last spring and the mirage was so bad we had to back the power down on our scopes which are sfp. We were holding for wind and were hitting way off were we thought we should. We got frustrated and quit wasting ammo. Well on the drive home I thought about it darn it we changed the power on our scopes which would change the hold offs. So we have both been thinking about upgrading to ffp scopes for this.
"Milling on the fly" is the least of the benefits of the FFP. The ability to hold wind and elevation in a consistent manner regardless of magnification is a huge plus. Immediate, accurate corrections is another.
I have and use both...and really cant figure out anything a SFP does better than a FFP, except typically cost less.
I have and use both...and really cant figure out anything a SFP does better than a FFP, except typically cost less.
25 Whelen
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If you wanted to try a FFP scope out for short money,that will surprise you how good it is optically! With locking turrets; and true Zero
Stop, 70 MOA vertically, great reticule,(about identical to NF Moar Shv) at 4.5x18 power check out the Lonestar! Introduced to compeate with Athlon FFP scopes last spring for $350, but now I am seeing them down at $220! I tryed one out and was surprised how crisp it was optically, has nice turrets,With good audible clicks, NOT a NF but not bad either! Soposedly Jap lens, German internals, in a Standard " Discovery Optics" tube all assembled here in Texas?
Lifetime / Transferable warrantee.
Whats not to like. Check em out.
Compare it to a Lucid Optics 4.5x18 MLX at
$550, and see if you think it came from same place????
Stop, 70 MOA vertically, great reticule,(about identical to NF Moar Shv) at 4.5x18 power check out the Lonestar! Introduced to compeate with Athlon FFP scopes last spring for $350, but now I am seeing them down at $220! I tryed one out and was surprised how crisp it was optically, has nice turrets,With good audible clicks, NOT a NF but not bad either! Soposedly Jap lens, German internals, in a Standard " Discovery Optics" tube all assembled here in Texas?
Lifetime / Transferable warrantee.
Whats not to like. Check em out.
Compare it to a Lucid Optics 4.5x18 MLX at
$550, and see if you think it came from same place????
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Originally Posted By: liliysdadI have an XTR II 5-25, and am seriously considering a 3-15 for my .22 Creedmoor. They are great scopes of the money.
I don't have the XTR but I have a Veracity 4-20x50 and for the money it seems like a pretty decent scope.
Any of you Burris XTR owners/users ever compare them to the Veracity line, wonder how they compare to one another???
I don't have the XTR but I have a Veracity 4-20x50 and for the money it seems like a pretty decent scope.
Any of you Burris XTR owners/users ever compare them to the Veracity line, wonder how they compare to one another???
skinney
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Originally Posted By: Bowhntr6ptUnless you're milling targets on the fly, such as in a LR competition, the FFP offers NOTHING over a SFP scope IMO.
I never warmed up to them... it's SFP for me because I don't MIL targets on the fly... I just bang steel, kill hogs, coyote, and deer.
WTH???
Originally Posted By: liliysdad"Milling on the fly" is the least of the benefits of the FFP. The ability to hold wind and elevation in a consistent manner regardless of magnification is a huge plus. Immediate, accurate corrections is another.
I have and use both...and really cant figure out anything a SFP does better than a FFP, except typically cost less.
An educated answer from someone who has and does use both effectively.
I never warmed up to them... it's SFP for me because I don't MIL targets on the fly... I just bang steel, kill hogs, coyote, and deer.
WTH???
Originally Posted By: liliysdad"Milling on the fly" is the least of the benefits of the FFP. The ability to hold wind and elevation in a consistent manner regardless of magnification is a huge plus. Immediate, accurate corrections is another.
I have and use both...and really cant figure out anything a SFP does better than a FFP, except typically cost less.
An educated answer from someone who has and does use both effectively.
I was actually all over the new USO that Skinney helped design the reticle for (I think) until I saw that it was a FFP. It is understandable that if you cannot hunt with lights at night then my gripes are irrelevant. NV/Thermal have been outlawed by most of the contests that I participate in, and for good reason as they are an advantage at times and very few can afford or justify them.
I find that a FFP reticle, when used at magnification that allows for proper or sufficient light transmission through my optics, slows me down considerably at night as it is smaller and therefore requires a LOT more concentration. Understandably, not everyone has the same set of needs that myself and some others do.
I don’t range with a reticle, can’t fathom it. I’ve got an $800 rangefinder the size of a deck of cards in my shirt pocket just for that.... holding for wind is another issue in itself, but I can also multiply by 2,3 and 4 (graduated the 3rd grade.)
I find that a FFP reticle, when used at magnification that allows for proper or sufficient light transmission through my optics, slows me down considerably at night as it is smaller and therefore requires a LOT more concentration. Understandably, not everyone has the same set of needs that myself and some others do.
I don’t range with a reticle, can’t fathom it. I’ve got an $800 rangefinder the size of a deck of cards in my shirt pocket just for that.... holding for wind is another issue in itself, but I can also multiply by 2,3 and 4 (graduated the 3rd grade.)