First Shilen barrel, surprised twice.


I am very curious to see what some of my barrels look like. My lilja's & douglas air-guaged almost never have flyers but some of my others do. I bet a scope will tell me why. Can amyone recomend a good borescope to buy. I need one that will do 26" barrels without going in from both ends.

Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: mphunts
I am very curious to see what some of my barrels look like. My lilja's & douglas air-guaged almost never have flyers but some of my others do. I bet a scope will tell me why. Can amyone recomend a good borescope to buy. I need one that will do 26" barrels without going in from both ends.

Thanks

The longest I have seen is 17". Hawkeye is probably the best known brand for shooters - get the 0.16" tube.
 
msinc,
There are only 2 grades of Shilen barrels to my knowledge. Match Grade and Select Match Grade. The Select Match barrels air guage to the highest tolerances. Those that do not meet those air guage standards are Match grade and are distributed as such.

I think Shilen is a fine company that makes a nice product. I have bought barrels from them and continue to plan on doing it in the future.
 
There are tooling marks because the barrel was never lapped. Shilen only laps stainless barrels, regardless of whether they are match or select match. You can get a CM barrel from them hand lapped, but you have to specify it as such and there is an additional charge........
 
Originally Posted By: msincThe problem for Shilen doing things this way is what happens after somebody buys a barrel and finds out it is really third rate.

What makes it third rate?

Originally Posted By: msincMyself and the people I discuss this with in the future probably wont be customers of theirs anymore.

Too bad for you and your people. I think their barrels are excellent and have not read otherwise.

Originally Posted By: msincThat's sad because the barrel although it looks bad inside, actually shoots fantastic...

So because through your borescope, it doesn't look good, you'll disparage it, but the accuracy is excellent? I buy barrels for accuracy, not for looks. But maybe I'm an oddball on that.

Originally Posted By: msincbut I am not interested in dealing with people that do 3 different levels of quality work. I cant imagine staying in business much longer or keeping you as a customer if I told you your next custom rifle could be built to one of three different quality levels, best, acceptable or unacceptable.

You're reading this wrong IMHO. You buy a Select Match Grade and you're getting their best barrel, period. You buy a Match Grade and you're getting .0002" less exact, which let's be honest, I would guess 99% of us couldn't make a difference on with our shooting skills anyway. And finally, if what I am reading is correct from prior posts and Brownell's website, they offer a Chrome Moly version, which Shilen doesn't even advertise on their website, and which is probably contracted to Brownells. I think you would know very clearly and obviously up front EXACTLY which one you were buying. No guess work there.
 
Sometimes this place scares me. It seems a mountain of misinformation at times.

Shilen most definitely offers CM barrels on their website. Why in the world would they not? They are not contracted exclusively to Brownells, but Brownells does carry them.

Again, the rifle barrel in question was obviously never lapped, and that is the exact way Shilen CM barrels come (unless specified otherwise for an additional charge).

The end........
 
Originally Posted By: ackleymanYour quote,"the purpose of buying an aftermarket custom barrel is to get the best barrel possible", then why did you buy a non match chrome moly barrel?

You also compared the cheap Shilen Chrome Moly barrel to Lilja and Hart barrels which are match barrels.

You got what you paid for, don't [beeep].

I agree with this 100%.

Shilen makes 3 different grades of barrels for a reason. Joe Hunter who deer hunts 2 weeks out of the year is not going to pay $300-$400 for a stainless match grade tube when old faithful finally needs a new one after 20-30 years of service. The chrome moly tubes will shoot just as well as the stainless will, and are preferred for rebarreling the old walnut/blued rifles. They are not hand lapped, don't really need to be in most cases, and the prices reflect it.......
 
Originally Posted By: 2muchgunShilen most definitely offers CM barrels on their website. Why in the world would they not? They are not contracted exclusively to Brownells, but Brownells does carry them.

Yep, you're right. But for some reason they don't list it under their barrel grades page which threw me off.
http://www.shilen.com/barrelGrades.html

Yet they do for their Prethreaded and Chambered Barrels.

Wonder why that is...
 
"If you are cleaning a barrel properly, and you don't see green after patching and letting it stand for a bit, there is no copper.

Period!! There is chemically, no other possibility."



I am inclined to agree. A copper remover reacting at the molecular level does not lie. The reaction must occur if there is both copper and copper remover in the barrel. I would argue that a better choice in a Cu remover is needed if after use there is enough Cu left in the barrel to see with a bore scope.
 
Shilen does not sell a barrel that does not meet their standard of match grade. Anything that is inferior to match grade is destroyed or re-threaded, or whatever else needs to be done. But it does not leave the plant with less than match-grade quality.

Their quality grades are Match and Select Match.

Shilen makes a barrel that will flat out shoot well.
 
Originally Posted By: atlasmlcShilen does not sell a barrel that does not meet their standard of match grade. Anything that is inferior to match grade is destroyed or re-threaded, or whatever else needs to be done. But it does not leave the plant with less than match-grade quality.

Their quality grades are Match and Select Match.

Shilen makes a barrel that will flat out shoot well.

Mine Does !!!
 
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