Florida To Drug Test Welfare Recipients

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Well it's about time. I can hear the libs screaming clear out here in AZ, THAT'S RACIST! Nope, everybody must piss in a jar and rightly so. Some enterprising guy will get rich selling bags of clean piss outside the test office.


Ala. legislators consider welfare drug testing
PHILLIP RAWLS, Associated Press
Updated 05:30 p.m., Friday, August 19, 2011



MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Florida's new law requiring welfare applicants to take drug tests may get copied by Alabama, much like Arizona's immigration law did.

Republican legislators say they were working on bills similar to Florida's for the GOP-led Legislature to consider in its regular session starting Feb. 7, and they are optimistic some version will pass.

"I don't think the taxpayers should have to help fund somebody's drug habit," said Rep. Kerry Rich, R-Albertville.

At the urging of Gov. Rick Scott, Florida's Republican-led Legislature enacted a law this year requiring welfare applicants to take drug tests at their own expense. If they pass, they get reimbursed by the state. If they fail, they can't get benefits for at least a year and could face child abuse charges.

Sen. Scott Beason, R-Gardendale, introduced a similar bill in the Alabama Legislature shortly before the end of its spring session on June 9. It was too late in the session for the bill to go anywhere. Beason said it's uncertain if he will sponsor the bill in the 2012 session or someone else will do it, but he expects it to be an issue that will draw attention.

Beason can make sure that happens because he serves as chairman of the Senate Rules Committee, which recommends which bills the Senate considers each day.

"I'm sure a number of liberal groups will cry foul, but it makes common sense," he said.

Beason is no stranger to copying bills from other states. He and Rep. Micky Hammon, R-Decatur, used Arizona's immigration law as the model for writing Alabama's tough new immigration law in the last legislative session.

Rich had a bill in the last session to require random drug testing of welfare recipients. Rich said he didn't push the bill after learning that similar legislation in Michigan had been struck down in court. For 2012, he said he will offer a bill to require drug testing for welfare recipients and applicants who have any type of felony conviction or any misdemeanor conviction involving drugs.

He said that approach would be cheaper for the state than testing all applicants and it would likely turn up most of the people with drug problems.

A nonprofit group that represents the poor at the Legislature says drug testing is a bad idea and an irresponsible use of tight state resources.

"In moral or philosophical terms, mandatory drug testing presumes that all program participants are guilty until proven innocent," said Jim Carnes, communications director for the Arise Citizens' Policy Project.

He pointed to studies done in other states that have projected the cost of drug testing will equal any savings realized from keeping drug users off welfare.

He also questioned what happens to the children of a drug-using parent who is denied assistance. Beason and Rich acknowledged that's an issue they are considering as they work toward the 2012 session.

Welfare, formally known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, covered 22,802 Alabama families, or 54,480 people, in June, and the average benefit per family was $189.54, according to the state Department of Human Resources.

The National Conference of State Legislatures says at least 32 states considered proposals this year focused on drug testing of welfare or food stamp recipients.

Florida was the only state to enact a law mandating testing for welfare applicants, according to the Center for Legal and Social Policy in Washington.

Missouri enacted a law last month that requires the state's social services agency to develop a program for screening welfare applicants and recipients, and then test those for whom there is reasonable cause to suspect illegal drug use. People who refuse to be checked, and those who test positive and do not complete a substance abuse program, will be ineligible for benefits through the welfare program for three years. While participating in a substance abuse program, people could keep their benefits.

In Alabama, House Speaker Mike Hubbard, R-Auburn, said Republicans are still looking for the best way to write a bill for the 2012 session but want to address the issue.

"I think most everyone agrees that there are better uses for the taxpayers' hard-earned money than subsidizing the lifestyles of those who continue to abuse drugs," Hubbard said.
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Ala-legislators-consider-welfare-drug-testing-2132948.php
 
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You're right - they have been screaming bloody murder in Florida - the activists have anyway. However, from the great big middle, not so much.

Americans are paying attention now and I don't think most people find it some violation of one's civil rights to be tested prior to receiving government benefits. One may say that this doesn't square with federalism, but really it does. If you are going to suck from the public teat during your productive years, you should demonstrate responsibility and productivity. That starts with not using illicit substances that cloud one's judgement, driving, and lifestyle.

Expect the lawsuits if they are not already filed.
 
Originally Posted By: Crimson RaptorIf you are going to suck from the public teat during your productive years, you should demonstrate responsibility and productivity.

Peein' in a bottle is one thing Mr. CR, but "demonstrate responsibility" is sumthin else, and "productivity" that's downright un American! .
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Lest there be any misunderstanding, I'm being facetious.
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Originally Posted By: hm1996 Originally Posted By: Crimson RaptorIf you are going to suck from the public teat during your productive years, you should demonstrate responsibility and productivity.

Peein' in a bottle is one thing Mr. CR, but "demonstrate responsibility" is sumthin else, and "productivity" that's downright un American! .
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Lest there be any misunderstanding, I'm being facetious.
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LOL - I know, HM. Imagine having to demonstrate that you really, really want to work.
 
Originally Posted By: jumprightinitI think the public teat in FL. is going to dry up if this new law holds. I'd bet not many can pass a drug screening.

There are certainly neighborhoods in this part of the state where I would agree with you. It's going to be interesting to see if this law holds up.
 
Yup I agree on the drug testing then the crime rate will go threw the roof and violence just goes up. How do you win. We need to stop all the Illegal boarder crossings but they don't want to because not much labor work would get done in the USA. Or it would cost a fortune. It is time everyone quits wanting a free easy handout. Even the worker who wants $40. PH and wants to do little or nothing. It is the only thing that will get this country back on its feet again.
 
Quote:then the crime rate will go threw the roof and violence just goes up...I think that in some sections of the country, this is already the case, even without the drug testing requirement...

With the cut back in some temporary entitlements and the economy in the shape it is, cash flow for a lot of people is getting tight...

It's only going to get worse, as there is a whole generation that is convinced that they are entitled to what someone else has earned and acquired...
 
I read this story to my wife (who voted for CHANGE!) and she says: "That just makes sense!"

Now there is some 'HOPE' for us after all!!!

...furthermore, she has shown an interest in shooting as of late!
Guess she's finally starting to come around. I think I'll keep her.
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Quote:wisdom comes with age. id bet OT is almost as old as dirt...It's funny..On the inside, looking out, I'm still 27, but then I try to do something that used to be natural and my body tells me I'm a darn liar...The miles I've traveled are starting to show up and take their toll...Now I get to sit and think, instead of do...
 
Lets seee,,,,, we need more people on welfare, and yet, its only the 'illegal immegrant' thats willing to work. You want government handouts? pull the overalls on and weed the beans for a while, get paid, and get your chits for groceries. Spend it on drugs? pull those weeds and go back to your fenced in barracks nightly until you LEARN the difference between being responsible or a scab on the azz of society. Yeah, I just took the 'poll'........

Drug testing BEFORE you get your benefits...

LOSE your benefits if your high.

Get into the bean weed pulling business until you get it right. Sounds good to me.
 
I had to take a drug test to get a new job or not be hired.
What is the problem here? They want benifits, let them be tested for drugs. No pass, no benefits. Plain and simple.
POS's can either conform or starve, I don't care either way. I'm tired of paying for their free ride. Heck, My wife and I struggle from paycheck to paycheck. I have no sympathy for them.
 
Drug testing in most work places is a safety issue. I don't really understand the rationale behind testing for aid recipients. I'm certainly not opposed to denying benefits to those that use the funds for illegal purposes.
 
I hope the law holds up. All my points have already been made in the above statements. I had to take a drug test when I got hired and if I get hurt, I have to take another one. They sell their food stamps for drugs and get a "raise" when they have another child. Not fair to us that work hard for our money.
 
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