For whom the dogs toll

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There is another group of houndsmen out there who also hunt coyotes using dogs. But instead of the dogs running the coyote to bay, they "lure" the coyote into range of the shooter. This form of houndmanship is just about as fascinating as the tracking hounds are. I just watched a video on it and am wondering if there are any tollers out there who would like to drop in and enlighten us with some of their exploits. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I too would love to hear more stories about these dogs. Maybe Luna's person will come on and share some stories and photos of her in action? I know she's only one of several dogs that have people on here as members.
 
Nasa, I'm in the process of getting some money to Ran Utah, but until then I can't say much about the video. But soon I will be able to post on here also as an advertiser.
 
Cal,

We'll keep it in mind that you are not an advertiser. Post some of those great pics and stories and in the mean time, we just won't mention that you have a great video on this very topic for sale. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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NASA,

I too am interested in this subject. I've been using what I call Decoy Dogs (same as tolling dogs I think) for over 25 years. I use them mostly in the spring and summer for livestock protection work. With the dogs, I kill multiple coyotes more often than singles.

I have tried many breeds of dogs over the years and have settle on Mountain Curs.

I'm anxious to hear what Cal has to say on this subject. I know he also does ADC work and is well respected on this board.

Larry
 
I was waiting for someone to mention 'that' site. I won't say what I think about it. Might get me banned from this site too. I've never seen tolling dogs in action, and wouldn't mind watching it. But I probably wouldn't have one and rather chase them. Just me, but for those who do good luck to ya, I know its harder to still call in the coyote in the first place. See ya, MOyotehunter
 
For the dogs, it's plenty of action whether tolling or running. The difference is with the hunter. When running coyotes, the hunter is on the run too. Tracking and radio trailing the dogs is a lot of work. You have to be prepared to follow those dogs where ever they go. You need to know how your dogs work, and anticipate crossings. Predicting the dogs (and coyotes) next move in any given situation takes a lot of experience. Very physical and exciting.

Now picture this scene. The hunter strolls out into the gently rolling hills. He looks around and finds a nice, soft, comfortable spot on a sloping hillside. He plays a few distress sounds and glasses the distance. A mile and a half away there is movement. He alerts his dogs and they are off to investigate. Twenty minutes later, the dogs are 50 yds in front of you with 2 coyotes in tow wanting to play tag with them. The only time the hunter breaks a sweat is when he has to drag those coyotes back to the truck.

But the time and effort invested in training those tolling dogs is no less impressive than the effort involved in training the running hounds. That's what makes both of these styles of hunting so fascinating. MO, you and Vargy should make a video! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Now, a lot of the tracking is done in the truck, and sometimes it gets a little frantic! But when the dogs bay him up, it's time to burn some boot leather. This kind of hunting will keep you in shape, for sure. I tried it and discovered how out of shape I am. I ended up staying with the truck most of the time, lol.

But for us old geezers, sitting back and waiting for the dogs to bring the coyote to you sure does sound like armchair hunting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Easy now NASA, LOL!
I wear out my fair share of boot leather with decoy dogs also. There is alot goes into being in the right place before you let anyone know your whereabouts. You still need the wind right and have to have good location on your coyotes before you start anything. I've had some huge hikes to get the position I wanted on a pair of coyotes. The other thing that occasionally happens is that all the dog work is going on too far away and the coyotes aren't coming any closer, so you get to move to them, quickly. It's not all as easy as a video may lead you to believe.

On another note, I have heard the term "tolling" dogs used in a place or two, but out of all the guys that I know that make their living hunting coyotes and using decoy or denning dogs I have yet to hear one of them ever refer to their dogs as "tolling" dogs. I was just having this conversation with another G-Man hunter that I had met on the net. So I'm not sure of it's origins, maybe someone just made it up? Beats me, but my dogs are decoy and denning dogs, I don't have any "tolling dogs".
 
LOL Cal, you've just been "tolled". I was hoping I could coax you into coming out of hiding. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Tolling is an old English term for luring. It may be the source for the fishing term trolling. The first tolling dogs were used to decoy ducks and geese into shotgun range back in the 1800's. The dogs used were small, red and closely resembled a fox from a distance. Nesting ducks would see the lure dog on the shore and, thinking it was a fox, come in off the lake to defend their nest.

Well, I should have known there was "work" associated with your video. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif It just looked too easy. I do know that when you're denning there's a lot of leg work involved. How far from the truck would you say your average stand is?
 
I use my curs for decoy and denning all year long.They do get out and cover some ground,but most of the time they bring the yote back to gun range.Mine go to a howl or use the wind to go to the yote.I do not use a call to locate the yotes.Tolling is just a pharse that the Airdale guys use on the Coyote gods web site.I have decoyed yotes for years all year long here in Az.The more the dog barks and moves around the more the yotes get invloved.I have hunted with wolf dogs that caught them on sight and with running dogs.Decoying is by far the funnest to do with the dogs because you are more involved.I do go out aways from the truck sometimes,but have had yotes chase the dogs right up to the truck before.I have always used a line of curs that go to a howling yote,they are the Striker line from Derril Fry ADC hunter from Nevada.After you do it once it is like a drug it gets in your blood!!!See ya Mav
 
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There is a breed called the Nova Scocia Duck Tolling Retriever. These dogs do the fox playing on shore trick to lure in ducks and geese. I have read in hunting magazines of people using their close up working bird dogs to lure in Yotes too. Interesting technique.
 
Hi guys, I am new to this site. Been reading posts for several years just haven't registered. Have been calling coyotes for about 12 years. I saw this post and have been hearing about decoy dogs for some time now. The reason for the reply to ask what video or videos are you guys talking about. I have worked with cowdogs for years so I can work with dogs fairly well and would like to try my hand at using decoy dogs.
 
DB, All Predator Calls is one of the advertisers here. If you go to the advertisers section and click on their site you will find "Goin' to the Dogs" video for sale there. Another video on the subject is called "Doggin' for Coyotes". There may be 1 or 2 other videos out there, but I think these are probably the best.
 
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MO, you and Vargy should make a video!


Does anyone know if there even are any videos on hunting coyotes with running/chase/catch hounds? I've never heard of any, but that don't mean nuthin', lol. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif If anyone knows of some, please let us know.
 
NASA I don't know of any. I have looked before and have never found any. But I agree I would love to put a video together. Need a dash cam like the police have and have about a 6-8 hour tape. That way you get the real feel for the whole hunt. -MOyotehunter
 
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