Foxes. 22lr or 17HMR?

Average velocity of the 22 mag is what?! The 22 mag shoots a 40gr. bullet at 1,910fps the 30gr. loads go 2,200fps. so where did you get 1,480fps at! And at 1,910fps that would be 324ft. lbs. ~Marco
 
Originally Posted By: marcoAverage velocity of the 22 mag is what?! The 22 mag shoots a 40gr. bullet at 1,910fps the 30gr. loads go 2,200fps. so where did you get 1,480fps at! And at 1,910fps that would be 324ft. lbs. ~Marco


I've done some deeper research and now stand corrected. I believe the velocity they published was for pistols, not rifles. However, I've not found any place that has published 2200fps for 30 grain. If that is the case, then this is a hotter round than I thought.

On the other hand, all the data I've found shows the .17 HMR to have a much flatter trajectory, droppinng 2.6 inches at 150 yards, while the .22 Mag drops 4.5 inches. I don't even try to shoot small game at 200 yards with a .22 Mag, but routinely dispatch them with the .17. Of course, I don't think I'd try to even shoot a fox that far out. 150 would be the furthest I'd try on a fox. The bottom line for me is that I can hit what I'm shooting at much more consistently with the .17, and place the shot exactly where I want it.

I still like the .22 Mag. I've got a Ruger Single Six that is a ball to shoot in 22 Mag.
 
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Congrats on the fox!!!I was wrong about the V-Maxes tearin one up if you shot it in the head.I've never seen a fox up close so I really dont have any idea how big they are but I figured they were pretty close to the same size as a jackrabbit.And those V-Maxes will make a mess of a jackrabbits head so thats why I made the suggestion that I made before.I probably should'nt make suggestions like that if I've never tryed it.

I've shot alot of prairie dogs,jackrabbits,,skunks,porcupines,starlings,sparrows (they exloded) and 1 coyote with them though.Those V-Maxes are potent little buggers.The only thing I've ever shot that the V-Maxes did'nt leave a big hole in was the coyote.

My brother shot a badger in the face with the CCI Hollowpoints and it actually exited behind its left ear.I can't remember exactly how far of a shot he made on that badger but I know it was 90 yards at least.
 
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Originally Posted By: OKRattlerCongrats on the fox!!!I was wrong about the V-Maxes tearin one up if you shot it in the head.I've never seen a fox up close so I really dont have any idea how big they are but I figured they were pretty close to the same size as a jackrabbit.And those V-Maxes will make a mess of a jackrabbits head so thats why I made the suggestion that I made before.I probably should'nt make suggestions like that if I've never tryed it.

I've shot alot of prairie dogs,jackrabbits,,skunks,porcupines,starlings,sparrows (they exloded) and 1 coyote with them though.Those V-Maxes are potent little buggers.The only thing I've ever shot that the V-Maxes did'nt leave a big hole in was the coyote.

My brother shot a badger in the face with the CCI Hollowpoints and it actually exited behind its left ear.I can't remember exactly how far of a shot he made on that badger but I know it was 90 yards at least.

How did the Vmax do on the Coyote?
 
dmwil-The V-Max killed it dead.I dropped it from 95 yards with a shot to the head.The 17HMR will kill coyotes but to be honest I think luck had more to do with me killin that coyote than anything.I've seen coyotes run off after gettin hit with a .204 and a .223 so that little bullet is gonna have a tough time killin a coyote unless its pretty close and you know what you're doin.I did'nt know any better when I shot that coyote and did'nt realize just how tough of a critter they were until later on in my coyote huntin career.Luckily it all worked out that time and I killed the yote.
 
CCI 30gr.+V, CCI 30gr. TNT, CCI 30gr. V-max ,Hornady 30gr. V-max, Federal 30gr. Hp And TNT, All 2,200fps. muzzle velocity. Winchesters new 30gr. Supreme 2,250fps. Go to CCIs sight, Winchesters sight, and Feds sight. ~Marco
 
Originally Posted By: dmwil..... I don't even try to shoot small game at 200 yards with a .22 Mag, but routinely dispatch them with the .17...... The bottom line for me is that I can hit what I'm shooting at much more consistently with the .17, and place the shot exactly where I want it......

What kind of small game are we talking about here...?

-BCB
 
I'm gonna toss in something here. I have no doubts about the effectiveness .17HMR shooting 20 grainers on fox size critters. AS for the .22LR, I also have little doubt about it's effectiveness if used with judgement. But I won't use anything but CCI Velocitors on coon/fox critters. And only within my and my guns ability to hit the mark. VElocitors have proved them self to be much more effective that CCI Mini-Mags (my old favorite). More velocity and a better designed 40gr. bullet with ZERO loss of accuracy.

This is not to tout the .22LR as anything comparable to the rimfire magnums or centerfires. They are obviously better. But for fox it has enough power.

CB
 
After a few years of shooting the .17HMR I no longer use it on fox or larger game unless it is all I have. I have seen two many predators make it to a brush pile or hole before expiring. We hunt at night here in Texas and need the predators to drop on the spot. I have found the .22 magnum and the .223 to be much more reliable. If you shoot something too far out or simply do not make a spot on shot you are in danger of losing the animal. My conclusion is based on seeing several hundred animals shot with the .17HMR. JMHO

http://wildedtx.blogspot.com/2009/01/magnum-rimfire-wars-17hmr-vs-22wmr.html
 
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