FOXPRO's Snow Crow Pro--So you want loud??

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cougarbait,

No problems here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I was just addressing what was asked of me. Our unit, again, will be completely different. It has the same great features as the FX3, but much louder and heavier. It is not just an amp. Thanks!

Mike Dillon

FOXPRO, Inc.
"The Caller of the Wild"

The True Leader.
Often imitated, never equaled
 
Believe it or not, you're not the only ones giving out free sounds.

And that wasn't a hijack, there was a question asked regarding different manufacturers sounds.

Maybe this is all in good fun and a joke between you and Foxpro, but I'm tired of the p*ssing matches on this board.

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"How long have the other guys been making callers?"

Only a minute (3rd Season) but we seem to be doing pretty good with sounds that are no good: http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...page=0#52161432

Good Clean Competition is how we will also go.

We won't start to hijack posts like some have either.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...page=2#52150588

 
I'm confused. It was only a year ago when Fox Pro claimed that small size and weight were all important, higher volume was unnecessary and long range remotes were stupid. Since then Fox Pro has introduced 2 heavier, louder callers with long range remotes. Interesting.
If volume and sound quality are worth the extra weight, that would have made Fox Pro wrong for about nine years. Alternately they are wrong now. Which is it? Being wrong for 9 or ten years doesn't sound like a "true leader" to me.

Dogleg
 
Dogleg,

If you notice, we still offer our original callers as we always have. You know, we still say to this day that you do not need loud volumes for calling predators, but when you have people requesting more, it is only in our best interest to listen to the wants and needs of ALL customers. When we were referring to the long range remotes, we were talking about the ones that claimed 10 miles or more (there is some interesting news to be announced soon here). If we can come out with a product to appease a niche market, then you better believe we will offer it. We have the ability, and we will continue to bring out products to reach other niche markets. We haven't even begun yet.

Todd,

Sorry you feel the way you do, but if our name is mentioned in a post, we will do what we can to protect the integrity that we have EARNED over the years, and answer any questions PUBLICALLY that may pertain to our products.

Mike Dillon

FOXPRO, Inc.
"The Caller of the Wild"

The True Leader.
Often imitated, never equaled
 
Grow UP! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
(This was directed at no one and everyone . If you feel I am talking to you , then I probably am. Some people never cease to amase me.)
 
Mike ,

I am fully aware that the TOA is available to everyone. Thats why I asked if you had planned on using it.

I have to agree with Dogleg. Why change now , if all those features didnt matter when a leading competitor is using them ? I think most guys like me who wanted a loud speaker , a long range remote , werent concerned with weight and wanted there unit in a timely manner,,,, already own one.
 
Mike Dillon,
When you claimed that long range remotes were useless there was no mention of 10 miles.This was just before your "improved remotes" came out. Your claim was that you couldn't see any use for a remote that worked at 200 yards. I don't need a remote that works at ten miles, but if I needed to remotely trigger a net cannon that would be different. Needs differ.
You have consistantly downplayed the importance of any trait that another caller could beat yours on.Besides weight that would be everything. This when you claimed the best product in the field.Untruth? You also claimed live sounds when they weren't real, that wasn't that long ago either. Untruth? Some of us have long memories, and this type of thing does nothing for credibility. I think that you will say anything that might help sales.
Selling to a niche market may be good business, but it is not the leadership you claim. Leadership is being first or best. Showing up 5 years or so later is "following"
Dogleg
 
I believe the market Mike is talking about is for the snowgoose caller who needs TONS of volume. Predators don't need anywhere near that kind of volume.

And for those that already own a caller that meets their needs all I have to say is: Good for you.

Randy
 
Dogleg,

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Your claim was that you couldn't see any use for a remote that worked at 200 yards



What I remember saying was that you never would need more than 200 yards in the wide open. I am not even sure I made a reference to this (prove me wrong), but if I did, it would have been as I just stated. The REAL advantage of a longer range remote is improved reliability under less than ideal conditions, period! But, you can see after we made our change, everyone else followed suit. If you don't like our product improvements, that is fine, but I can tell you if we can offer customers better range, etc., we will ALWAYS continue to do it. And, we did not do it at an increased price. We actually LOWERED the price of our long range remote. Better range, lower price=happier customers.

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This when you claimed the best product in the field.Untruth?



I have always been convinced that other manufacturers have overclaimed their units, and sold them deceivingly. What would you do if you were us, and had the ability to make better products, while maintaining your current line. Again, if you do not like our advancements, that is fine, but I can tell you we will continue to make improvements if we feel the need to (just take a look at some of the remarks made on some of the other websites out there, and you will see their claims).

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You also claimed live sounds when they weren't real, that wasn't that long ago either. Untruth?



I can PROMISE you that I have never claimed that all of our sounds were real. I have always said that 90-95% of our sounds are from the actual animals.

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I think that you will say anything that might help sales.




I also STRONGLY disagree with you on this one also. We have earned our reputation by providing the best products, the best warranty, and the best customer service. Believe me, this more than anything has led to the popularity of our products.

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Showing up 5 years or so later is "following"




Show me another unit with all of the capabilities of the FX3. I don't think we were "following" on this one. Sorry to disagree with you dogleg, but it seems you have a peculiar interest here.

To sum it up, we will continue to only put out the best products available, and continue to expand our product line to please as many as we can.

Mike Dillon

FOXPRO, Inc.
"The Caller of the Wild"

The True Leader.
Often imitated, never equaled
 
R Buker ,

Who said anything about the market Mike was talking about . I didn't.

I also believe I adressed Mike.

Dont dare try to debate with the so called "leader" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif or the masses act like they've been mustard gassed and start falling off their chairs ! Give me a break.
 
BrianD,

I also have to disagree with you on this one. We have always handled our posts in a professional manner, unlike others. When people start getting unprofessional is when the mods have to step in, and I think we have always handled our posts very well. Again, if you disagree, that is fine, but take a look back through them, and see the way we handled them. We have easily become the target of many manufacturers, and that's ok, but posts should be handled better than some have in the past.

As far as the TOA is concerned, if it tested better, yes we would have used it.

Mike Dillon

FOXPRO, Inc.
"The Caller of the Wild"

The True Leader.
Often imitated, never equaled!
 
Mike Dillon,
If you had ever set up a call in a valley bottom and set up on the banks to shoot over all the intervening cover you might have a clue why a range of over 200 yards on a remote is useful.I was doing that before you came out with your long range remote, so I wouldn't say everyone followed suit. Did another untruth sneak in there? Maybe you just can't help yourself? Seems Phaux pro was playing Phollow the leader. I have no problem with anyone improving their product, why would I? Nor do I care to talk anyone into using the same call as me. I actually hope that those that hunt the same areas as me use poor equipment. Like it or not, they are competition and coyote hunting is not catch and release.
Any "Peculiar interest" that I might have has nothing to do with selling calls. I have hunted over your caller, and it went back into the truck real fast. It was the best thing around according to you then. It wasn't.Neither were the earlier models. There is the chance that your new one is best. Why should I believe you this time? Goes back to credibility, and your's is lacking.
Dogleg
 
Gosh, didn't realize witch season was open, sure have a good witch hunt going on. Class and professionalism are always appreciated and hard to achieve. Whining and grinding axes are easy to do and never appreciated. Take your witch hunt elsewhere, now that this thread has been burned at the stake. Nice looking caller, by the way. Looks like a good thing for crows and snow geese where volume rules. Keep up the good work!
 
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Dont dare try to debate with the so called "leader" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif or the masses act like they've been mustard gassed and start falling off their chairs ! Give me a break.



Haven't ya'll ever noticed how we let these Foxpro threads go on for so long after they turn downhill? Apparently not, as we are always accused of "protecting" Foxpro.

We let threads like this go on only so people can see for themselves who the class acts are and who the pot stirrers are. Most of our members are smart enough to see right through the BS. Eventually we will tire of it and put a stop to it and probably suspend and/or ban someone. In the meantime, some of ya'll are looking like sniveling, whining babies.
 
Here's the way I see it:
There are several companies that make callers. Foxpro came out early and developed a great reputation for their product and their service. After years of this, Foxpro "koolaid drinkers" emerged. Foxpro devotees that dote on everything they do. Just so you know, I'm not a koolaid drinker. I just bought my Foxpro and I've barely used it. I've seen Mike post here in response to questions and customer service issues and been impressed. There appears to have been a backlash to the koolaid drinkers in the form of Foxpro haters, some of whom may never have tried the product.
Personally, I wish Foxpro could make a post showing off their new item without a bunch of people jumping on them. Foxpro is a business, if you think they won't change their product to fit demand, then you're out of touch with reality. Who cares if he did or didn't say there wasn't a need for a long range remote? What does that have to do with anything?
Bottom line, Foxpro is a sponsor, they have the right to post their new item, I don't think we need people crapping on their post for no good reason. As a business, it only makes sense for them to play up their product. I have never seen them say "brand X sucks". I have seen generic statements that their sounds are better than the competitions. Who wouldn't say that??!? They've behaved in a way that a responsible business should. Minaskas claim of a thread hijack is one the most ridiculous things I've seen in a while. FYI a thread hijack would be Minaska starting a thread then Foxpro posting in it and claiming to be better.
My suggestion, if you care: companies stay out of each others posts, don't argue with each other in individuals posts; Foxpro haters let the koolaid drinkers fawn all over Foxpro all they want; Foxpro haters can post honest evaluations of the Foxpro that they've tried or they can stfu.

I'm going to shut up now before I get in trouble with the mods or something. I'm just so tired of the petty fighting and pointless arguing on here.

ETA: I actually think "Snow Crow Pro" is a cool name. Snow Crow is a little confusing, but it is a niche market, so people that are buying it will know what it is despite the name.
 
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GCrock,
Isn't honesty part of professionalism? This guy isn't even truthful in his defense about being untruthful.
What volume and sounds do you use for witches? What's the limit? Bring 'em on.
Dogleg
 
Dogleg,

If you have a gripe with FoxPro why don't you take it to email or PM?

I'm not sure what your point is in trying to call him out??? If you think his product isn't worthy of your dollars you can feel free to post that and avoid buying one of his callers. But, I can't, for the life of me, see what your point is?

We tend to try to get folks not to stir the pot when there isn't a good reason for it. And, I like I said, I can't seem to find a reason for your actions. If your only purpose is, in fact, to stir the pot, then your actions are unwanted on PM.
 
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