Full auto prices

woodcock

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I'm nearly 50 now and was thinking that I might go for my full auto license. Kinda like the highest step in Firearms I.D. or what ever. Theres a few ranges within an hour drive that will let you blast away with one. I figured $500 or so for the license, I can handle that.
Have you guy's seen the prices of full auto's?
$75,000 dollars for a M16?

Check this out!
http://www.gunsamerica.com/1256/1256-random-1.htm

How in the hell do they justify those prices. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Can anyone enlighten me as to why there so high?
$7500 for an uzi???? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
Heck, the purchase price of a lot of Class III stuff isn't bad compared to what it costs to feed some of those blasters. Wolf will become your friend.

There are always going to be rather expensive "collectors items" such as the $75,000 M16. A regular M16 usually runs around $10-12k. It's the auto-sear that you are essentially paying for, which makes up about 95% of the price.

$7,500 is about right for an Uzi. Actually, Class III firearms can be good investments since the supply is limited and over time they continue to increase in value.
 
I've been looking at the ATF web site all morning trying to understand. Did they pass a law back in 86 or something.
I remember some time around 86 you could buy the guts for a mack 10 for $300 bucks out of shotgun news.
 
a full auto trigger group for a 10/22 goes for 5-10,000$,the prices are so high its not worth the effort unless you have nothig but time and money to waste.
 
As I understand it, there isn't really a FA license. It's a transfer tax that costs $200 (I'm talking federal, I have no idea what your state may have).
Cheapest FA I've seen recently is a MAC for about $3000.
AR15.com has a NFA section where you could get answers I'm sure.
 
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a full auto trigger group for a 10/22 goes for 5-10,000$,the prices are so high its not worth the effort unless you have nothig but time and money to waste.



I dont think you are allowed to install that trigger group unless the firearm your putting it in is already classified as a class 3 weapon. Repair parts only. Other wise you are now converting a semi auto to a class 3 which is a no no.
Supply and demand fellas. Wish i would have bought a truck load of them 20 yrs ago. Then again, 20 yrs ago I was only 14 and didnt know any better.
 
the first thing to look at is what is or is not allowed in your state. Silencers for instance are allowable in some states and not in others, same for things like an m16. certain states insist on that the gun must be on the curio and relics list. (basically wwII and before) and must have been registered previous to amnesty. This means not so many are around and drives the $$ up. The 200 transfer tax and background check are mandatory for each weapon you buy. The first one will take you a long time to get, after that it'll be about 6 weeks each. The class 3 dealers will fill you in on what info. you need.
 
Well thats it! Ain't no way I'm gonna spend that kinda money on a toy like that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I had no idea. Theres a lot more things out there I'd rather have...Like a nice bass boat. Thanks for burst'n my bubble before I started day dreaming. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
So, if silencers are legal in ohio, I don't need a special permit? Just go through a background check? And then pay the tax?
 
From my little reading on suppressors, I believe they also have a $200 tax and paperwork, then the silencer itself is usually in the $500+ range.
I don't believe there is a "permit" for them. You just need to keep your transfer paperwork handy.
If Indiana legalized silencers for hunting, I'd be really tempted to get one.
 
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a full auto trigger group for a 10/22 goes for 5-10,000$,the prices are so high its not worth the effort unless you have nothig but time and money to waste.



I dont think you are allowed to install that trigger group unless the firearm your putting it in is already classified as a class 3 weapon. Repair parts only. Other wise you are now converting a semi auto to a class 3 which is a no no.
Supply and demand fellas. Wish i would have bought a truck load of them 20 yrs ago. Then again, 20 yrs ago I was only 14 and didnt know any better.



Crapshoot....you are mistaken......a 10/22 full auto trigger group is a registered machinegun in and of itself.....if it is a transferrable trigger group (I'm sure it is at that price) then it is perfectly legal to put it in any 10/22....

There are more myths and misconceptions about title 2 weapon ownership than about all other types of firearms combined......
 
I quite possibly could be mistaken. Just make sure you get the facts from BATF before switching your semi auto's to class 3 weapons.
 
I used to own a full-auto Uzi. The prices are so high because the demand out strips the supply. There are only a finite number of full-auto weapons available and at this time, no more can be made for the civilian market.

There is no license per se to own a full auto weapon. There is a $200.00 transfer tax. You have to submit your money, 2 sets of finger prints, 2 photos and a form signed by the local chief law enforcement officer (CLEO). That is usually the local chief of police or county sheriff. In some jurisdictions, the CLEO can use this as a form of gun control. The CLEO can refuse to sign the approval form without any reason at all. Even if it is legal to posess full-auto weapons in the area you live.

Approval time can take anywhere from 6 weeks to 6 months or more. No rhyme or reason for the time difference. It's the government. My approval took about 4 months. Turns out that the gal that was supposed to put my forms through took maternity leave and just left my forms sitting on her desk. A call from my class III dealer got things moving again and it was only about another 2 weeks.

One thing a little different about buying class III weapons is you have to pay for them before you even submit the paperwork. The gun is technically yours, you just can't take it with you until you get the transfer forms back from the government. The reason you have to pay up front is because once the transfer forms are approved, it is your property. Even if you haven't paid for it. Only the person listed on the form can posess the weapon.

And you have to go through the same process all over again when you sell the weapon. The sale has to go through a class III dealer. The dealer has to pay a transfer tax, just like you did. The turn around for them is usually quite fast because they don't have to go through the background check every time. Then when the dealer sells the weapon to the next guy, pay taxes all over again along with all the submittals. I understand that if you make another purchase within 6 months of a previous purchase, you don't have to do the finger print, picture, CLEO approval thing all over. But after 6 months it is just like you have never done it before.

They are definately fun to shoot. But you better have some serious bucks to feed the monster.

One thing I did find out. Only 1 legally registered class III weapon was ever used in a crime. If I remember right, it was a domestic dispute. And the gun owner was a cop. Go figure. This was several years ago, so that might have changed since.

So, that's what I know about the deal. Not a hard process to go through, just time consuming. And expensive. But fun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Paul
 
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Approval time can take anywhere from 6 weeks to 6 months or more. No rhyme or reason for the time difference. It's the government. My approval took about 4 months. Turns out that the gal that was supposed to put my forms through took maternity leave and just left my forms sitting on her desk. A call from my class III dealer got things moving again and it was only about another 2 weeks.



Ain't that the truth. Just called today to see what the hold up was on my C&R FFL. Seems the person doing my renewal was out on 6 weeks medical leave. As it got routed to the person doing my old address instead of my new address, it got held up for additional time and now that it is to the correct person, they are on 4 weeks paid vacation.

So call and get someone on top of it if you have to. There are more than just one or two persons capable of doing your paperwork.
 
When I was younger, I had my own M16 and M60. And some of my friends had a .50 cal Browning they let me shoot now and then. I even got to hump joes for the 155mm Paladins, but they never let me shoot one. Those babies were not fur-friendly. As I remember it, the weapons were free, all the ammo was free, you could carry them anywhere, and no special license was required. But after a couple of years, I got really tired of it and I had to give them all back to my Uncle. Young guys get to have all the fun.
 
There is supply out there for FA weapons but its generally to Law Enforcement/Military. I had no idea that regular citizens had to go through those lengths and prices for FA weaponry. Just the same, from a Police Officer standpoint, I am glad that possessing a full auto weapon is difficult and expensive at best. Otherwise too many people that dont belong having them would. Alot of SWAT teams are getting away from FA anyway and most of our Colt sub guns and H&K MP5's we are having converted to three round burst trigger groups. They are much more practical and tactically sound than FA.
 
With all due respect......folks that own legally registered machineguns are probably the most law abiding folks in the country.......since registration started in 1934, there has only been one documented case of a registered machinegun being used in a crime......and, that was by a police officer!

As a police officer, surely you must realize that criminals, by definition, don't obey the law.......they can build or buy illegal machineguns without much difficulty. Making it more difficult for a law abiding citizen to own a weapon does NOT reduce crime!

Your statement above regarding "regular citizens" is EXACTLY why there is an "us verses them" mentality when it comes to law enforcement.......you may not admit it, but the wording of your post smacks of elitism.....that somehow, "regular citizens" can't be trusted with such things. That mentality just widens the gap between law enforcement and "regular citizens" and then law enforcement wonders why people don't like cops??? Law enforcement officers are no better than factory workers, but many have the attitude that they are a special class of citizens. I think you need to step back and take a serious look at what you wrote......if you really believe it, then you are no better than the Gestapo.

By the way, according to the constitution, US citizens have the right to keep and bear arms......if you read the supporting documents, you will find that this specifically includes military weapons......that would include full auto weapons...... however, our rights have been chipped away a little at a time until we just accept the perversion of the original intent and our country and our freedom has suffered.
 
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I am glad that possessing a full auto weapon is difficult and expensive at best. Otherwise too many people that dont belong having them would.




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all i will say is [ Shame on you
 
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