Dead Mission
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What is the furthest a coyote has ran on a good placed shot and died?
Furthest a dead coyote has ran?
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I shot a coyote in the left front with my .223 using a 55gr V-max. It was a slight quartering towards shot. The coyote took the hit, spun once, yelped and jetted. When I got out to the clearing, it was nowhere to be seen. But in scanning the surrounding area I noticed an out of place lump in a field. Looking at it in the scope, I see that it's the coyote in question. It had run almost 500 yards before it collapsed.
While skinning it out, I found the bullet in the right rear leg. So the bullet had gone clean through the coyote, got both lungs and it still ran 500 yards.
While skinning it out, I found the bullet in the right rear leg. So the bullet had gone clean through the coyote, got both lungs and it still ran 500 yards.
1trkyhntr
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Don't know, never found all of them. Have found some 300+ yds with holes in them that you would think would kill an elephant.
Shot one last night, knocked him down. Watched him for a couple of seconds on the ground then took the scope off of him trying for the second one. Missed that one running, turned back to the "dead" one, it was back on it's feet running. He went an easy 400+ yards to the woods. I never did find him.
Shot one last night, knocked him down. Watched him for a couple of seconds on the ground then took the scope off of him trying for the second one. Missed that one running, turned back to the "dead" one, it was back on it's feet running. He went an easy 400+ yards to the woods. I never did find him.
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Bowhunt
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Originally Posted By: 1trkyhntrDon't know, never found all of them. Have found some 300+ yds with holes in them that you would think would kill an elephant.
Shot one last night, knocked him down. Watched him for a couple of seconds on the ground then took the scope off of him trying for the second one. Missed that one running, turned back to the "dead" one, it was back on it's feet running. He went an easy 400+ yards to the woods. I never did find him.
What was he shot with?
Shot one last night, knocked him down. Watched him for a couple of seconds on the ground then took the scope off of him trying for the second one. Missed that one running, turned back to the "dead" one, it was back on it's feet running. He went an easy 400+ yards to the woods. I never did find him.
What was he shot with?
Why is it, That the videos I watch from O’Neil ops and their hits and kills, the coyotes lay on their back with there legs twitching in the air.
Now on the other hand, when I watch video after video of a center hit with a 2 or 3-spin and dance routines, and then takeoff running almost every time. Why is this? The O’Neil Army ususes 22-250’s & Cutting Edge Bullets. That looks like a winning recipe. No runners.
Myself, I just Rebarreled a Tikka w/1-13 Twist 28” 6mm-284, shooting 55 Ballistic times @ 4320 FPS. No kills yet, but I’m betting there will be no spin/dance runners.
Most of my shots are 200 & out. I think when you see the two different results, it’s time to make adjustments in equipment.
Now on the other hand, when I watch video after video of a center hit with a 2 or 3-spin and dance routines, and then takeoff running almost every time. Why is this? The O’Neil Army ususes 22-250’s & Cutting Edge Bullets. That looks like a winning recipe. No runners.
Myself, I just Rebarreled a Tikka w/1-13 Twist 28” 6mm-284, shooting 55 Ballistic times @ 4320 FPS. No kills yet, but I’m betting there will be no spin/dance runners.
Most of my shots are 200 & out. I think when you see the two different results, it’s time to make adjustments in equipment.
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orkan
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Originally Posted By: 243kimberWhy is it, That the videos I watch from O’Neil ops and their hits and kills, the coyotes lay on their back with there legs twitching in the air. Because they know you need to shoot them in the shoulder, rather than behind the shoulder.
You want coyotes to tip over on the spot, that's what you do.
Called this one in to 75yds yesterday. He was coming in from my left to right, quartering towards me a bit. He took a step right as I broke the shot, which sent the 3525fps 80gr berger just behind his leading shoulder and out the other side. Perfect shot if I was deer hunting, but too far back for a coyote. He ran 150yds with his lungs hanging out that hole before tipping over.
You want coyotes to tip over on the spot, that's what you do.
Called this one in to 75yds yesterday. He was coming in from my left to right, quartering towards me a bit. He took a step right as I broke the shot, which sent the 3525fps 80gr berger just behind his leading shoulder and out the other side. Perfect shot if I was deer hunting, but too far back for a coyote. He ran 150yds with his lungs hanging out that hole before tipping over.
jk2paintworx
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The Oneill guys take head shots a lot.
Originally Posted By: 243kimberWhy is it, That the videos I watch from O’Neil ops and their hits and kills, the coyotes lay on their back with there legs twitching in the air.
Now on the other hand, when I watch video after video of a center hit with a 2 or 3-spin and dance routines, and then takeoff running almost every time. Why is this? The O’Neil Army ususes 22-250’s & Cutting Edge Bullets. That looks like a winning recipe. No runners.
Myself, I just Rebarreled a Tikka w/1-13 Twist 28” shooting 55 Ballistic times @ 4320 FPS. No kills yet, but I’m betting there will be no spin/dance runners.
Most of my shots are 200 & out. I think when you see the two different results, it’s time to make adjustments in equipment.
I think that caliber has less to do with it than shot placement. I would never rely on caliber to do what I should have done, and that is to place a good shot.
I had a guy once ask me about the 6.5 Grendel. Great cartridge. I have shot a lot of coyotes with it, never had any of them complain. But when he started using it he complained of runners. Turned out that he was using Amax ammunition. That is a target bullet designed for accuracy and not stopping power. When I pointed that out to him he said that he wanted a caliber that he could use that would put them down on the spot when he shot them in the GUT. That ended our conversation.
You have to be ready for runners no matter what caliber you use and you have to be ready for quick follow up shots. In a perfect world, we wouldn't need them. In our world, it is a reality. So make sure to get out to the range and practice quick follow ups. Just in case...
Now on the other hand, when I watch video after video of a center hit with a 2 or 3-spin and dance routines, and then takeoff running almost every time. Why is this? The O’Neil Army ususes 22-250’s & Cutting Edge Bullets. That looks like a winning recipe. No runners.
Myself, I just Rebarreled a Tikka w/1-13 Twist 28” shooting 55 Ballistic times @ 4320 FPS. No kills yet, but I’m betting there will be no spin/dance runners.
Most of my shots are 200 & out. I think when you see the two different results, it’s time to make adjustments in equipment.
I think that caliber has less to do with it than shot placement. I would never rely on caliber to do what I should have done, and that is to place a good shot.
I had a guy once ask me about the 6.5 Grendel. Great cartridge. I have shot a lot of coyotes with it, never had any of them complain. But when he started using it he complained of runners. Turned out that he was using Amax ammunition. That is a target bullet designed for accuracy and not stopping power. When I pointed that out to him he said that he wanted a caliber that he could use that would put them down on the spot when he shot them in the GUT. That ended our conversation.
You have to be ready for runners no matter what caliber you use and you have to be ready for quick follow up shots. In a perfect world, we wouldn't need them. In our world, it is a reality. So make sure to get out to the range and practice quick follow ups. Just in case...
derbyacresbob
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Another thing that the O'Neal OPS guys do is use bi-pods on their rifles and they shoot from the prone position on most of the videos I have seen.
In wide open country with little or no cover if you are laying prone with a rifle you will get closer shots and standing coyote shots more often than if you are sitting up with a rifle.
In wide open country with little or no cover if you are laying prone with a rifle you will get closer shots and standing coyote shots more often than if you are sitting up with a rifle.
Yotarunner
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I have found the only ones that have not been a by-product of poor shot placement has been the odd heart shot where they bolt for 20-30 yards then pile up like you hit them in the head with a brick
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Originally Posted By: AWSRemember when your watching videos you only see the shots THEY WANT you to see.
Yep!
Just like the long range big game guys. They never show the ones that were wounded and never found. I used to hunt with a guy that worked with one of those shows, he said it happened far too often.
Yep!
Just like the long range big game guys. They never show the ones that were wounded and never found. I used to hunt with a guy that worked with one of those shows, he said it happened far too often.
Originally Posted By: 6724Originally Posted By: AWSRemember when your watching videos you only see the shots THEY WANT you to see.
Yep!
Just like the long range big game guys. They never show the ones that were wounded and never found. I used to hunt with a guy that worked with one of those shows, he said it happened far too often.
This is very true. never the less, the countless videos that I have watched over the years featuring the .223, a lot had spinners. More than any other caliber.
Yep!
Just like the long range big game guys. They never show the ones that were wounded and never found. I used to hunt with a guy that worked with one of those shows, he said it happened far too often.
This is very true. never the less, the countless videos that I have watched over the years featuring the .223, a lot had spinners. More than any other caliber.
orkan
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Originally Posted By: SnowmanMoI had a guy once ask me about the 6.5 Grendel. Great cartridge. I have shot a lot of coyotes with it, never had any of them complain. But when he started using it he complained of runners. Turned out that he was using Amax ammunition. That is a target bullet designed for accuracy and not stopping power. When I pointed that out to him he said that he wanted a caliber that he could use that would put them down on the spot when he shot them in the GUT. That ended our conversation.
What's wrong with wanting a cartridge that will still anchor them if you make a bad shot?
... and "target" bullets are often extremely good hunting bullets. Several of the SMK line are almost unrivaled in terminal performance in certain cartridges. The Amax was THE bullet of choice for quite a lot of state trappers I've spoken to. Many have since switched to berger or sierra match bullets. I shoot 80gr 22cal yellow box berger target bullets and they are the hardest hitting 22cal combo I've come up with to date. The first runner I've had in 3 years happened as pictured above. That's the exit hole.
Back when I was shooting vmax bullets and other lightly constructed bullets that were marketed toward varmint and predator hunters... I had tons of runners. Big cartridges pushing them like lightning, little cartridges barely popping them out, didn't matter. Splash. When I moved to heavy for cal target bullets... all of that stopped.
What's wrong with wanting a cartridge that will still anchor them if you make a bad shot?
... and "target" bullets are often extremely good hunting bullets. Several of the SMK line are almost unrivaled in terminal performance in certain cartridges. The Amax was THE bullet of choice for quite a lot of state trappers I've spoken to. Many have since switched to berger or sierra match bullets. I shoot 80gr 22cal yellow box berger target bullets and they are the hardest hitting 22cal combo I've come up with to date. The first runner I've had in 3 years happened as pictured above. That's the exit hole.
Back when I was shooting vmax bullets and other lightly constructed bullets that were marketed toward varmint and predator hunters... I had tons of runners. Big cartridges pushing them like lightning, little cartridges barely popping them out, didn't matter. Splash. When I moved to heavy for cal target bullets... all of that stopped.
Mr. Poppadopalis
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Shot 1 yesterday and he is still running!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: SnowmanMoI had a guy once ask me about the 6.5 Grendel. Great cartridge. I have shot a lot of coyotes with it, never had any of them complain. But when he started using it he complained of runners. Turned out that he was using Amax ammunition. That is a target bullet designed for accuracy and not stopping power. When I pointed that out to him he said that he wanted a caliber that he could use that would put them down on the spot when he shot them in the GUT. That ended our conversation.
What's wrong with wanting a cartridge that will still anchor them if you make a bad shot?
... and "target" bullets are often extremely good hunting bullets. Several of the SMK line are almost unrivaled in terminal performance in certain cartridges. The Amax was THE bullet of choice for quite a lot of state trappers I've spoken to. Many have since switched to berger or sierra match bullets. I shoot 80gr 22cal yellow box berger target bullets and they are the hardest hitting 22cal combo I've come up with to date. The first runner I've had in 3 years happened as pictured above. That's the exit hole.
Back when I was shooting vmax bullets and other lightly constructed bullets that were marketed toward varmint and predator hunters... I had tons of runners. Big cartridges pushing them like lightning, little cartridges barely popping them out, didn't matter. Splash. When I moved to heavy for cal target bullets... all of that stopped.
This guy wasn't "making" a bad shot, he was intentionally shooting them in the gut. We all make bad shots from time to time, but I don't do it intentionally. I know that we make good shots that end up as runners, but we do not intentionally take a gut shot. It is about ethics. Many of us pride ourselves in a clean kill. If someone doesn't, and they are trying to inflict pain, then I won't deal with them. You are welcome to do as you choose, but I won't deal with folks like that.
Orkan, I know that you hunt a lot of wide open areas from some pretty extreme distances and there are a LOT of variables that you have to account for to make a good shot, so sometimes a bad shot happens. I also know that at longer ranges bullet weight is important in putting them down and you have seen a lot of different things from different bullets.
As for bullet choice, sure, there are always exceptions to the rule. I too saw the Vmax's fail to anchor them. But the Amax is specified as a target bullet. It has very thick walls, that most often fail to get expansion in something like a coyote. I know hog hunters who use them on hogs, because there's enough animal to get it to expand.
I have seen a lot of good results from Berger and SMK, as well as Scenar. I think that their accuracy comes from the way that they manufacture their bullets and not on just the the thickness or weight.
Personally, we found a big variance in the weight of the Vmax's, which might account for their failures.
What's wrong with wanting a cartridge that will still anchor them if you make a bad shot?
... and "target" bullets are often extremely good hunting bullets. Several of the SMK line are almost unrivaled in terminal performance in certain cartridges. The Amax was THE bullet of choice for quite a lot of state trappers I've spoken to. Many have since switched to berger or sierra match bullets. I shoot 80gr 22cal yellow box berger target bullets and they are the hardest hitting 22cal combo I've come up with to date. The first runner I've had in 3 years happened as pictured above. That's the exit hole.
Back when I was shooting vmax bullets and other lightly constructed bullets that were marketed toward varmint and predator hunters... I had tons of runners. Big cartridges pushing them like lightning, little cartridges barely popping them out, didn't matter. Splash. When I moved to heavy for cal target bullets... all of that stopped.
This guy wasn't "making" a bad shot, he was intentionally shooting them in the gut. We all make bad shots from time to time, but I don't do it intentionally. I know that we make good shots that end up as runners, but we do not intentionally take a gut shot. It is about ethics. Many of us pride ourselves in a clean kill. If someone doesn't, and they are trying to inflict pain, then I won't deal with them. You are welcome to do as you choose, but I won't deal with folks like that.
Orkan, I know that you hunt a lot of wide open areas from some pretty extreme distances and there are a LOT of variables that you have to account for to make a good shot, so sometimes a bad shot happens. I also know that at longer ranges bullet weight is important in putting them down and you have seen a lot of different things from different bullets.
As for bullet choice, sure, there are always exceptions to the rule. I too saw the Vmax's fail to anchor them. But the Amax is specified as a target bullet. It has very thick walls, that most often fail to get expansion in something like a coyote. I know hog hunters who use them on hogs, because there's enough animal to get it to expand.
I have seen a lot of good results from Berger and SMK, as well as Scenar. I think that their accuracy comes from the way that they manufacture their bullets and not on just the the thickness or weight.
Personally, we found a big variance in the weight of the Vmax's, which might account for their failures.