GAS PRICES AND BUG OUT PLAN?

Originally Posted By: MTurboV!! Buy gold and silver !!
That ship sailed. If you bought it a couple of years ago, you may have turned a good profit, probably too late now. Can't eat or hunt with gold and silver, and if the S really hits the fan, I'm not trading anything I have for it. People are going to trade for stuff they can use like the eggs for milk barter mentioned in another post.
 
Any increase in prices for any commonly needed product will be weathered pretty well by the financially stable. Energy is a universally needed commodity.

It's those that are already living close to the edge that will be unable to cope.

When you have a significant fraction of homeowners barely able to make their mortgage payments, expect a housing market collapse to follow a spike in energy prices. Oh yeah, that already happened.

When a significant percentage of the population is a month away from bankruptcy, expect a financial meltdown to follow a spike in energy prices.

I see a possible silver lining to the situation, if energy spikes there may be such an upheaval that we'll (finally) start using common sense and drill baby drill. I'm not holding my breath, mind you, but I see the possibility.
 
Originally Posted By: FrontiersmanOriginally Posted By: MTurboV!! Buy gold and silver !!
That ship sailed. If you bought it a couple of years ago, you may have turned a good profit, probably too late now. Can't eat or hunt with gold and silver, and if the S really hits the fan, I'm not trading anything I have for it. People are going to trade for stuff they can use like the eggs for milk barter mentioned in another post.

you beat me to it. wtshtf, i wouldnt give you a roll of toilet paper for your ounce of gold. wtshtf, anyone that really knows the value of survival wont either. see how clean you can wipe yourself with that gold bar
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IMO and only my opinion.
If and when the time come's I'm afraid I will be doing just what other people will be doing.
1) protecting my own from those who didn't have the for sight to provide for them selves.
2) "Bugging" I don't belive is an option - where is a person or family going to go ?
3) Read # 1
 
Gas was over $4 about 2 to 3 years ago, and we had cheap fuel, and we waste more than the rest of the world combined. Canada gas is almost at $5 or maybe by now over $5. Europe is so far ahead of us on gas prices and always have been, that they learned how to conserve and still get to where they need to go.

So what will happen? Some people will learn how to conserve their energy dollars. There will be some that will still waste their energy dollar, but even they will slowly change their energy habits. Our 3/4 and 1 ton 4x4 recreational pickups will eventually evolve into more fuel efficient 1/2 ton or smaller. Campers will resort back to tents, instead of the home on wheels that weighs several tons. The daily trip to the grocery store will become a once a week trip, or maybe every 2 weeks. The "errands" that today are run on a daily basis will be consolidated to once a week or even to once a month.
 
Originally Posted By: Stu Farishremember katrina? gas over $4 per gallon?

the world was supposed to come to an end. it didn't.

like a kidney stone, this too shall pass. though it will prolly hurt in the process.


Maybe, But again it was a form of conditioning that we all accepted $1.25 a gallon then $2.00 then 2.75,..Now the norm will be no less than $4. per gal. I don't care about other countries use,.It's what we need and use.(Drill baby Drill) Canada and other places pay more yes, And I 've been there and done that,.they also didn't lead the Industrial revolution as where we did and need to get back too being the leader and not sending everything out of this country to be manufactured, Unfortunately those days are gone unless we get real leadership and sacrifice back in the back bone of this great nation.

 
Originally Posted By: FrontiersmanOriginally Posted By: MTurboV!! Buy gold and silver !!
That ship sailed. If you bought it a couple of years ago, you may have turned a good profit, probably too late now. Can't eat or hunt with gold and silver, and if the S really hits the fan, I'm not trading anything I have for it. People are going to trade for stuff they can use like the eggs for milk barter mentioned in another post.

Oh, well,,I wasn't thinking "end of the world" Guess I'll be good with my gold and silver up till then. My 5 dollar silver bar I bought a few years ago is buying me a lot more gas than the $5 bill I spent to buy it then would now.
 
other countries pay a lot more for gas simply due to the punitive rate of taxation imposed on them, not bc their gas actually costs any more.
 
You are correct in saying if it was only gasoline/petro products that rise, we could weather out the storm. However think of all the rest of the products that need energy to produce. Yes Jeffo, it is your garden, beginning with the seeds and fertilizer, weed control to begin with, this spells higher food costs, higher clothing costs, less buying power period. Recreation industries would collapse. Along with many more homes being put on the market. Any material for the basics would be high priced. Electricity would be a preminum. Most produced products need energy to construct. Products that need transporation would be higher priced also. This in itself does not spell doom, the ability to find work and to get to work will be a priority. Poaching would be high wide and hansome. Not just game but fishing to subsidize the family diet costs.
 
Originally Posted By: Yukon21You are correct in saying if it was only gasoline/petro products that rise, we could weather out the storm. However think of all the rest of the products that need energy to produce. Yes Jeffo, it is your garden, beginning with the seeds and fertilizer, weed control to begin with, this spells higher food costs, higher clothing costs, less buying power period. Recreation industries would collapse. Along with many more homes being put on the market. Any material for the basics would be high priced. Electricity would be a preminum. Most produced products need energy to construct. Products that need transporation would be higher priced also. This in itself does not spell doom, the ability to find work and to get to work will be a priority. Poaching would be high wide and hansome. Not just game but fishing to subsidize the family diet costs.


Not sure I catch your drift. Growing a garden is a bad idea?
 
Growing a garden will be more expensive as energy prices rise, and not just because of the gas you burn.

The economy is interconnected in myriad ways, but is very energy dependant. Raise the cost of energy and you raise the cost of just about everything.
 
Originally Posted By: Stu Farishif everything falls apart, where are you going to go? and why?


If you could please post it in the thread WTSHTF as well...thx!
 
NM Leon I don't know if I understand. Not arguing just not sure how sticking some seeds in the ground will cost more as fuel goes up. Anyone who is prepared has enough seeds to start a garden for several years. A hoe, rake and shovel don't cost anything to run and compost can be made out of just about anything. Weed control is my own two hands. I will agree that water could be a problem during dry spells since most don't have wells.
 
some places gardening is cheap & easy. Here, over 10 years, I've found that supplemental watering is simply required & it doubles my water bill. Which is too friggin' high already.

If it costs me and extra $80 or more per month just for the water, there's simply no way I'm getting my money's worth out of it.
 
Irish, any seeds etc that you currently have are already paid for.

Any seeds you would try to obtain after an energy price run-up would be more expensive due (at a minimum) to increased transportation costs. Besides the transportation costs for fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides, they are very energy intensive to produce and will be correspondingly more expensive.

As Stu mentioned water costs will be more expensive whether you are buying it from the municipality or paying for the electricity to pump it from your well.

You can of course (perhaps) carry buckets of water from the river, pull weeds by hand, pluck aphids/grasshoppers/ladybugs/etc off your plants by hand, but time is worth something as well, and all the time you would spend in your garden is time you can't be working and earning cash for other things.
 
Originally Posted By: MTurboOriginally Posted By: FrontiersmanOriginally Posted By: MTurboV!! Buy gold and silver !!
That ship sailed. If you bought it a couple of years ago, you may have turned a good profit, probably too late now. Can't eat or hunt with gold and silver, and if the S really hits the fan, I'm not trading anything I have for it. People are going to trade for stuff they can use like the eggs for milk barter mentioned in another post.

Oh, well,,I wasn't thinking "end of the world" Guess I'll be good with my gold and silver up till then. My 5 dollar silver bar I bought a few years ago is buying me a lot more gas than the $5 bill I spent to buy it then would now.

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When the End Of Days arrives(2012 according to the Mayan calender)I doubt Saint Peter will be taking gold or silver at those Pearly Gates. But until the end of the world comes,or the U.S. economy stabilizes,I'm going to keep buying gold and silver. The forecast for 2011's inflation in essential consumer goods and services like food,medical costs,energy,apparel and transportation is a wakeup call that signals the coming inflation. The Federal Government can't print trillions of digital fiat dollars and the Federal Reserve can't monetize our debt without taking a heavy toll on the purchasing power of the dollar.

There is nothing wrong with stockpiling lead and brass.I have a pretty good supply myself as insurance against really hard times. But gold and silver is my hedge against inflation and economic collapse.
 
Personally, I'd like to see it hit $5 a gallon for about the next 6 months. I need a new pickup, and the market would be flooded with them after that length of time.

Gas might hit $5/gallon, but it isn't going to stay there. This country isn't ready for $5/gallon gas yet, and as history has shown, when it gets above a point the population will tolerate, gas sales decline, demand goes down, supplies go up, there is an oil glut, and then they charge us more for storing it, just not as much as they charge us for using it up like we normally do.
 
Originally Posted By: Colorado PeteIf gas is $4-5/gal., it'll be too expensive to 'bug out' (on wheels anyway). I'll just sit home and wait. Wal-Mart is within walking distance.

Sitting home and waiting may be a viable option for you,and many others,but it's not for some folks. Those who live in a heavily populated area would do well to consider bugging out if the S.H.T.F.. A friend lives about 80 miles from a major population center,in the big woods and mountains. He's been pretty confident that he's insulated from any possible terrorist activity. Guess what! It was recently made public that a Muslim organization with known ties to the Muslim Brotherhood just bought 140 acres 2 miles down the road from his house
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. Bugging out is now on his list of options.
 


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