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Okay. I digress. I cannot have my cake and eat it too. There is no choke that will shoot slugs into 5" at 75 yards and give me dense buckshot patterns at 50. Period. I have come to terms with this. So I decided to get the best buckshot/lead shot (for squirrels or whatnot) choke I could get.

I have been led to believe this is it, based on the threads here and other things I have read.

http://www.kicks-ind.com/ASP/buckkicker.asp

Now, my question is, does the wad (or lack thereof) influence how this choke will perform, or will it function well no matter what wad is used?

Since I plan on shooting mainly OO, but some OOO, I will get the OOO tube and accept SLIGHTLY looser patterns with OO and #4 (My guess is this will be the result, no?)

Thanks for your insight! Really curious about performance with different wads and this choke. Do the ports "grab" the wad, or simply steer gasses away from the infant shot column?
 
The ports will retard the wad. Most extended ported chokes tubes will do the same. This is a fine idea with all but the Flite Control type wad. Generally, Flite Control does best with a non-wad grabbing choke. There can be individual exceptions and as you are finding out, only shooting on the range can tell you the story with your setup. Kick's chokes are beautifully made quality products that perform very well, and no I have no financial interest in the company - I wish... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Most buckshot loads don't have a wad really, is this a problem? All my Winchester and Remington Buckshot has no wad. Also, does it physically retard it, or retard it by venting gas?

Will it pattern like crap with all but the "right" wad like Wad-Masters do?
 
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What are you shoot'en?




Weapon: Benelli M4

Ammunition:Buckshot from OOO to #4 along with cheap dove-loads or whatnot for plinking. All brands pretty much.

Target:paper for now/Home Defence/In the future possibly hogs (OOO). Also possibly deer.

Does this answer the question?
 
ETA: I went to Kicks website and they don't differentiate between the Crio tubes and the Mobil tubes. Do they sell a Buck Kicker in Benelli Mobil?
 
The inside of the ports are sharp and will grab the wad to slow it and strip it from the shot. No wad or just a standard wad, no problem. Kick's does have Mobil chokes. Call or e-mail Chuck there at Kick's and tell him what you want to achieve and see what he recommends. He'll do ya right. If it isn't right, then he'll swap around with you until you're satisfied.
 
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The inside of the ports are sharp and will grab the wad to slow it and strip it from the shot. No wad or just a standard wad, no problem. Kick's does have Mobil chokes. Call or e-mail Chuck there at Kick's and tell him what you want to achieve and see what he recommends. He'll do ya right. If it isn't right, then he'll swap around with you until you're satisfied.



So, if it has a wad, it is grabbed, if it does not, I still have a .6XX choke and the gas is diverted from the base of the column.

No matter what, I am going to get a great pattern.

Am I understanding correctly?

Also, is there a difference in say, the High-Flyer Full choke and the Buck Kicker Light Full?

I kinda want to be able to shoot the new Tungsten Iron and stuff like that, but it is harder/as hard as steel and the Buck Kicker is not for steel.

PS. Do the edges of the ports protrude into the flight of the wad, or does the wad expand against the edges of them? I assume the latter, no? Either way, this wouldn't nick my buffer-only Winchester XX Premium buck pellets, would it?
 
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The ports will retard the wad. Most extended ported chokes tubes will do the same. This is a fine idea with all but the Flite Control type wad. Generally, Flite Control does best with a non-wad grabbing choke. There can be individual exceptions and as you are finding out, only shooting on the range can tell you the story with your setup. Kick's chokes are beautifully made quality products that perform very well, and no I have no financial interest in the company - I wish... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif




from another thread reguarding your patterning of your M1 S90
yotenalor,
For penetration I'd like to use soaked telephone books and measure the penetration in inches. That's not as scientific as ballistic gel, however, it's cheap, easy to work with, and a fairly good comparitor between loads. Regarding the recoil, I shot two rounds of skeet the evening before. Then, after testing these coyote hunting loads, I took the Tactical Model and patterned 00 Buck and slugs. BTW, it performed best with an Improved Modified choke for those two chores. Anyway, thank goodness for a slip on PAST recoil harness and Advil!




Are you saying that if I were to buy a Trulock (Which choke did you use) Modified or Imp Mod. choke, I would do better with OO Buck than with the Buck Kicker? I could save $25...

How did yours pattern with that combo? (pattern size/distance)(I know you used IM per your post). How did the slugs shoot? Do you notice the POI changing when you remove the barrel for cleaning and then replac it? Did the IM choke lead up bad, or not? What slugs did you use? What buckshot?
 
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jwg, I have a Hastings turkey choke that will pattern 100% of Rem 3" 000 buck in a 15" circle at 40 yards, Same brand of 00 is in a 20" circle at 40 yards. It is not a ported choke.
 
I called Kicks, they told me that the High Flyer X-Full (which is really a Imp Mod constriction of .698) would be the best solution to my desire to throw Dead Coyote T as well as OOO Buck. They also told me if it failed to put all OOO Pellets in a 25" circle at 40 yards to call them and send it back for an exchange.

VERY awesome people!
 
Well, I tested my Carlson's Full (.695) choke today. It patterned very poorly with everything but #4 and bird-shot. I am going to go with IC choke instead of the Kicks. If this Carlson's is ruining patterns, then even tighter will be worse yet.

It also seemed to put my POI 1" right and 1" down at 10 yards. Normal when changing chokes?
 
Bought a Benelli IC choke for $15 and tried it out. Definitely the right choke for buckshot. 9/10 OOO on a 14x14 paper at 25 yards, and 4-5/10 on it at 40.

With #4 at 40 yards it peppered the paper with about 3-4 in an 8" circle.

Maybe not the greatest for coyotes, but with slugs shooting a sub 6" group with me firing it off-hand at 50 yards, I think I have found my "do it all" choke.

The one wierd thing I noticed was at 25 yards I had a soft-ball size hole in the middle of a #8 birdshot Estate cartridge pattern I fired on the target. RIGHT in the middle. Maybe 2-3 pellets in that dead-zone. How am I shooting a donut pattern with an IC choke!?

Oh well, I ordered a Flush-Mount Trulock choke, that should even the patterns up as far as dispersion I belive. Tomorrow I will take pics of the targets with the holes circled.

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Did more testing on Hornady TAP 8-pellet "flight control knock-off" rounds. At 15 yards through IC all 8 were within 3" of each other. THREE INCHEST!

At 20-25 yards I couldn't keep all 8 on the 14x14 paper!?!?

Wierd. THis performance was pretty consistant too. I don't get it. Shotguns/shells are fickle creatures!
 
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