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OptimaAndy
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I know i will probably get crap for this BUT this seems really brutal and barbaric. If it was one on one that would be one thing but that hog has no chance. Is it not possible to spot and stalk and just shoot the dang thing so it doesn't have to fear for its life for the last few moments.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
chouse
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Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyI know i will probably get crap for this BUT this seems really brutal and barbaric. If it was one on one that would be one thing but that hog has no chance. Is it not possible to spot and stalk and just shoot the dang thing so it doesn't have to fear for its life for the last few moments.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
Id like to see you stand nose x nose with that pig, and then we will see who is fearing for their life.
I dont consider hog dogging any different than running hounds.
Nice catch Bar
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
Id like to see you stand nose x nose with that pig, and then we will see who is fearing for their life.
I dont consider hog dogging any different than running hounds.
Nice catch Bar
OptimaAndy
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duh, thats why you carry a gun
I am not saying go at it with a big knife or something.
But i don't agree with running hounds either. Dog were made for pets, helping the disabled, working type situation or retrieving game that is already dead. Not going out and attacking while you stand back and watching thinking how cool is that. And then take your shot after the hog has given up.
I am not saying go at it with a big knife or something.
But i don't agree with running hounds either. Dog were made for pets, helping the disabled, working type situation or retrieving game that is already dead. Not going out and attacking while you stand back and watching thinking how cool is that. And then take your shot after the hog has given up.
Sparrowhawk
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So did y'all just hog tie it and take it to a slaughterhouse or feeding pen, kill it with a knife or what?
I would enjoy being in on a dog hunt very much. Call me barbaric and medieval but that's what we predators like doing.
I would enjoy being in on a dog hunt very much. Call me barbaric and medieval but that's what we predators like doing.
chouse
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Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyduh, thats why you carry a gun
I am not saying go at it with a big knife or something.
But i don't agree with running hounds either. Dog were made for pets, helping the disabled, working type situation or retrieving game that is already dead. Not going out and attacking while you stand back and watching thinking how cool is that. And then take your shot after the hog has given up.
For your info a large number of pig that are bayed by dogs are killed with "a big knife", and not all pigs are killed some are tied and takin alive either for sale or to be killed later.
Secondly, hounds, curs, etc. were born and bred for hunting like this. Its in their blood to run live animals. Its the way they are hardwired, same as a retriever is to fetch.
I am not saying go at it with a big knife or something.
But i don't agree with running hounds either. Dog were made for pets, helping the disabled, working type situation or retrieving game that is already dead. Not going out and attacking while you stand back and watching thinking how cool is that. And then take your shot after the hog has given up.
For your info a large number of pig that are bayed by dogs are killed with "a big knife", and not all pigs are killed some are tied and takin alive either for sale or to be killed later.
Secondly, hounds, curs, etc. were born and bred for hunting like this. Its in their blood to run live animals. Its the way they are hardwired, same as a retriever is to fetch.
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyI know i will probably get crap for this BUT this seems really brutal and barbaric. If it was one on one that would be one thing but that hog has no chance. Is it not possible to spot and stalk and just shoot the dang thing so it doesn't have to fear for its life for the last few moments.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
And some people will see the enslavement of your dog as barbaric and would say we have no business owning a living creature. The dogs are tool, our ancestors did the same thing for years. Is it barbaric to use dogs to kill birds? Is it barbaric to let a police dog take out a suspect?
Further more the very thought that a wild animal even sense fear is stupid. They only understand survive, they do not have human emotion and shame on your and your walt disney brain to think other wise.
Do not came here with a holy then thou attitude. Get use to the fact that people have different values and that this person is a hunter no different than anyone else. He uses dogs as his weapon. I could say that it is not right unless you kill the animal with no tools at all, your bare hands only so that he animal has a fair fight fight.
No I do not have hounds do not have dogs, but I hate it when hunters turn on each other.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
And some people will see the enslavement of your dog as barbaric and would say we have no business owning a living creature. The dogs are tool, our ancestors did the same thing for years. Is it barbaric to use dogs to kill birds? Is it barbaric to let a police dog take out a suspect?
Further more the very thought that a wild animal even sense fear is stupid. They only understand survive, they do not have human emotion and shame on your and your walt disney brain to think other wise.
Do not came here with a holy then thou attitude. Get use to the fact that people have different values and that this person is a hunter no different than anyone else. He uses dogs as his weapon. I could say that it is not right unless you kill the animal with no tools at all, your bare hands only so that he animal has a fair fight fight.
No I do not have hounds do not have dogs, but I hate it when hunters turn on each other.
OptimaAndy
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Originally Posted By: elksOriginally Posted By: OptimaAndyI know i will probably get crap for this BUT this seems really brutal and barbaric. If it was one on one that would be one thing but that hog has no chance. Is it not possible to spot and stalk and just shoot the dang thing so it doesn't have to fear for its life for the last few moments.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
And some people will see the enslavement of your dog as barbaric and would say we have no business owning a living creature. The dogs are tool, our ancestors did the same thing for years. Is it barbaric to use dogs to kill birds? Is it barbaric to let a police dog take out a suspect?
Further more the very thought that a wild animal even sense fear is stupid. They only understand survive, they do not have human emotion and shame on your and your walt disney brain to think other wise.
Do not came here with a holy then thou attitude. Get use to the fact that people have different values and that this person is a hunter no different than anyone else. He uses dogs as his weapon. I could say that it is not right unless you kill the animal with no tools at all, your bare hands only so that he animal has a fair fight fight.
No I do not have hounds do not have dogs, but I hate it when hunters turn on each other.
Of course an animal can feel fear, Its called the fight or flight responce. Fear for their life = survival.
An animal is not a tool to be used to kill another animal. They are meant to be companions, working or such or something of that nature. They were not ment to be killer. I suppose you think that dog fighting is ok too.
I don't berate other hunters but in my opinion thyis is not hunting.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
And some people will see the enslavement of your dog as barbaric and would say we have no business owning a living creature. The dogs are tool, our ancestors did the same thing for years. Is it barbaric to use dogs to kill birds? Is it barbaric to let a police dog take out a suspect?
Further more the very thought that a wild animal even sense fear is stupid. They only understand survive, they do not have human emotion and shame on your and your walt disney brain to think other wise.
Do not came here with a holy then thou attitude. Get use to the fact that people have different values and that this person is a hunter no different than anyone else. He uses dogs as his weapon. I could say that it is not right unless you kill the animal with no tools at all, your bare hands only so that he animal has a fair fight fight.
No I do not have hounds do not have dogs, but I hate it when hunters turn on each other.
Of course an animal can feel fear, Its called the fight or flight responce. Fear for their life = survival.
An animal is not a tool to be used to kill another animal. They are meant to be companions, working or such or something of that nature. They were not ment to be killer. I suppose you think that dog fighting is ok too.
I don't berate other hunters but in my opinion thyis is not hunting.
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyduh, thats why you carry a gun
I am not saying go at it with a big knife or something.
But i don't agree with running hounds either. Dog were made for pets, helping the disabled, working type situation or retrieving game that is already dead. Not going out and attacking while you stand back and watching thinking how cool is that. And then take your shot after the hog has given up.
Dogs were never meant to be pets, we made them into pets. D a little history check, it was only in recent times that we used them in other capacities. They were originally used for war, hunting, food, etc. Just because we have them as companion animals does not mean that is the only use. Guess what these dogs helped a person, they killed a hog. Good for them, I disagree that any animal should have the disgrace of wearing PJs, but I am not about to go off and say how wrong you are for disgracing your dog and treating. Why not just go join PETA, then you could make sure that everyone lives life exactly with your own values.
Again if your going to point a finger realize there are 3 pointing back at you. Dogs are a tool and very effective at that. your mentality is one in which the antis will feed on to ban all hunting. Grow a pair and realize that the world is still a brutal place and that we must continue to fight for survival.
OK I better go enjoy my Sunday enough time spent trying to save the world from those who refuse to use their head and instead play would rather play into the hands of the antis...
I am not saying go at it with a big knife or something.
But i don't agree with running hounds either. Dog were made for pets, helping the disabled, working type situation or retrieving game that is already dead. Not going out and attacking while you stand back and watching thinking how cool is that. And then take your shot after the hog has given up.
Dogs were never meant to be pets, we made them into pets. D a little history check, it was only in recent times that we used them in other capacities. They were originally used for war, hunting, food, etc. Just because we have them as companion animals does not mean that is the only use. Guess what these dogs helped a person, they killed a hog. Good for them, I disagree that any animal should have the disgrace of wearing PJs, but I am not about to go off and say how wrong you are for disgracing your dog and treating. Why not just go join PETA, then you could make sure that everyone lives life exactly with your own values.
Again if your going to point a finger realize there are 3 pointing back at you. Dogs are a tool and very effective at that. your mentality is one in which the antis will feed on to ban all hunting. Grow a pair and realize that the world is still a brutal place and that we must continue to fight for survival.
OK I better go enjoy my Sunday enough time spent trying to save the world from those who refuse to use their head and instead play would rather play into the hands of the antis...
guess
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you misunderstand the whole hog dog thing. While it is not my cup of tea, I will defend the right for others to do it tooth and nail!
You obviously have never been on a hog dog hunt, try it once then give some feedback.
To start with most of the hog dogers catch their hogs alive.
Hogs will kill far more dogs than the other way around. I own penned hogs for studies and recording vocalizations. They are brutal to each other. They fight constantly for position to be top hog, they kill their young, cut each other to shreds. My top boar constantly has the other boar crippled up to the point that I'm going to have to find him another home. Yesterday I killed some of my tame hogs for table fare and before I could get them out of the pen the others were trying to eat them, one stuck her nose in a pool of blood and drank like she was about to die of thirst.
So be careful standing against another hunter, if it is legal I have no problem with what he is doing. It is this type of conflict among hunters that gives the anti's the tiny crack to cause great divide and conquer.
You obviously have never been on a hog dog hunt, try it once then give some feedback.
To start with most of the hog dogers catch their hogs alive.
Hogs will kill far more dogs than the other way around. I own penned hogs for studies and recording vocalizations. They are brutal to each other. They fight constantly for position to be top hog, they kill their young, cut each other to shreds. My top boar constantly has the other boar crippled up to the point that I'm going to have to find him another home. Yesterday I killed some of my tame hogs for table fare and before I could get them out of the pen the others were trying to eat them, one stuck her nose in a pool of blood and drank like she was about to die of thirst.
So be careful standing against another hunter, if it is legal I have no problem with what he is doing. It is this type of conflict among hunters that gives the anti's the tiny crack to cause great divide and conquer.
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyOriginally Posted By: elksOriginally Posted By: OptimaAndyI know i will probably get crap for this BUT this seems really brutal and barbaric. If it was one on one that would be one thing but that hog has no chance. Is it not possible to spot and stalk and just shoot the dang thing so it doesn't have to fear for its life for the last few moments.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
And some people will see the enslavement of your dog as barbaric and would say we have no business owning a living creature. The dogs are tool, our ancestors did the same thing for years. Is it barbaric to use dogs to kill birds? Is it barbaric to let a police dog take out a suspect?
Further more the very thought that a wild animal even sense fear is stupid. They only understand survive, they do not have human emotion and shame on your and your walt disney brain to think other wise.
Do not came here with a holy then thou attitude. Get use to the fact that people have different values and that this person is a hunter no different than anyone else. He uses dogs as his weapon. I could say that it is not right unless you kill the animal with no tools at all, your bare hands only so that he animal has a fair fight fight.
No I do not have hounds do not have dogs, but I hate it when hunters turn on each other.
Of course an animal can feel fear, Its called the fight or flight responce. Fear for their life = survival.
An animal is not a tool to be used to kill another animal. They are meant to be companions, working or such or something of that nature. They were not ment to be killer. I suppose you think that dog fighting is ok too.
I don't berate other hunters but in my opinion thyis is not hunting.
Not a chance they have no concept of fear. Fear is a human emotion. Flight or Fight is exactly that, it is about preservation of live. Not because they are afraid, but because they sense stress. Vast majority of animals to not have the brain development needed to have advance emotion. Fear is a learned advanced emotion. Stress is something they may posses, but they are driven by one need, to reproduce. If that need is threatened then they will respond. You are foolish to believe that animals have human emotion. Thankfully not all of us buy into the world of disney.
They have always been a killing tool. Just because you cry on the shoulder of your dog does not mean it was not once a killing machine. We domesticated dogs from wild dogs. Do you really believe that prior to this dogs were Vegans or vegitarians? Not a chance they were killing machines and that was the purpose. 300 years ago a dog was never used to comfort the dieing, they were never used to fetch the paper, or poop in the yard of a neighbor who bugs you. They were domesticated, for food, for hunting, for war and for service to man. Packing, fur, etc. Get over it.
I believe that if you can not go get your own game do not enslave a dog to do it. That is brutal. Dogs should be free to make his own decisions and not be enslaved. Why is this argument any different that using a dog breeed for 100s to 1000s of years for hunting? It is not, you use your dogs to play dress up with other will use it as an effective tool to control pest populations.
Dog fighting is a different animal. Has nothing to do with this for many reasons. Like it is illegal, it is done purely for entertainment, it serves no prupoer to man or to the dog, etc. Next time use a logical argument.
Its kinda like you going to the mall and getting jumped by five guys who you know are about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
And some people will see the enslavement of your dog as barbaric and would say we have no business owning a living creature. The dogs are tool, our ancestors did the same thing for years. Is it barbaric to use dogs to kill birds? Is it barbaric to let a police dog take out a suspect?
Further more the very thought that a wild animal even sense fear is stupid. They only understand survive, they do not have human emotion and shame on your and your walt disney brain to think other wise.
Do not came here with a holy then thou attitude. Get use to the fact that people have different values and that this person is a hunter no different than anyone else. He uses dogs as his weapon. I could say that it is not right unless you kill the animal with no tools at all, your bare hands only so that he animal has a fair fight fight.
No I do not have hounds do not have dogs, but I hate it when hunters turn on each other.
Of course an animal can feel fear, Its called the fight or flight responce. Fear for their life = survival.
An animal is not a tool to be used to kill another animal. They are meant to be companions, working or such or something of that nature. They were not ment to be killer. I suppose you think that dog fighting is ok too.
I don't berate other hunters but in my opinion thyis is not hunting.
Not a chance they have no concept of fear. Fear is a human emotion. Flight or Fight is exactly that, it is about preservation of live. Not because they are afraid, but because they sense stress. Vast majority of animals to not have the brain development needed to have advance emotion. Fear is a learned advanced emotion. Stress is something they may posses, but they are driven by one need, to reproduce. If that need is threatened then they will respond. You are foolish to believe that animals have human emotion. Thankfully not all of us buy into the world of disney.
They have always been a killing tool. Just because you cry on the shoulder of your dog does not mean it was not once a killing machine. We domesticated dogs from wild dogs. Do you really believe that prior to this dogs were Vegans or vegitarians? Not a chance they were killing machines and that was the purpose. 300 years ago a dog was never used to comfort the dieing, they were never used to fetch the paper, or poop in the yard of a neighbor who bugs you. They were domesticated, for food, for hunting, for war and for service to man. Packing, fur, etc. Get over it.
I believe that if you can not go get your own game do not enslave a dog to do it. That is brutal. Dogs should be free to make his own decisions and not be enslaved. Why is this argument any different that using a dog breeed for 100s to 1000s of years for hunting? It is not, you use your dogs to play dress up with other will use it as an effective tool to control pest populations.
Dog fighting is a different animal. Has nothing to do with this for many reasons. Like it is illegal, it is done purely for entertainment, it serves no prupoer to man or to the dog, etc. Next time use a logical argument.
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guess
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Andy you obviously don't know much about dogs either. do your homework. The majority of dog breeds were developed as working dogs. poodles were originally hunting dogs do some reading on dogs breeds. Until left wingers got to jacking with them you would be amazed at how many foo foo fluffy dogs were hunting dogs.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.
OptimaAndy
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Not, I am not a fool but apparently i think on a different level than you. Fear is not just a humane emotion. Have you never seen a mother animal lose it young and fly around frantic to find it. It fears for its babies life just as a humane mother would. I grew up farming, have been in the woods my entire life. I have watched wildlife for countless hours. While they are not humane, many animals do have some of the very same emotions that humans do. Not saying emotions like happy joy joy sad boohoo kinda stuff but the bsics.
chouse
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Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyAn animal is not a tool to be used to kill another animal. They are meant to be companions, working or such or something of that nature. They were not ment to be killer.
In case you didnt know, long before humans domesticated dog they were wild, canivorous, predators. Same as a coyote or a wolf. They had to kill to survive. When man began to domesticate dogs they used them for hunting animals and as work dogs. That was long before man let their dogs lay around the house in pajamas.
In case you didnt know, long before humans domesticated dog they were wild, canivorous, predators. Same as a coyote or a wolf. They had to kill to survive. When man began to domesticate dogs they used them for hunting animals and as work dogs. That was long before man let their dogs lay around the house in pajamas.
OptimaAndy
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Originally Posted By: guessAndy you obviously don't know much about dogs either. do your homework. The majority of dog breeds were developed as working dogs. poodles were originally hunting dogs do some reading on dogs breeds. Until left wingers got to jacking with them you would be amazed at how many foo foo fluffy dogs were hunting dogs.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.
Nope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.
Nope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.
OptimaAndy
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Originally Posted By: chouseOriginally Posted By: OptimaAndyAn animal is not a tool to be used to kill another animal. They are meant to be companions, working or such or something of that nature. They were not ment to be killer.
In case you didnt know, long before humans domesticated dog they were wild, canivorous, predators. Same as a coyote or a wolf. They had to kill to survive. When man began to domesticate dogs they used them for hunting animals and as work dogs. That was long before man let their dogs lay around the house in pajamas.
Its not pajamas, its a fleece pullover. And my kids were just being funny. She also had on my Texas Longhorns hat and some shades.
In case you didnt know, long before humans domesticated dog they were wild, canivorous, predators. Same as a coyote or a wolf. They had to kill to survive. When man began to domesticate dogs they used them for hunting animals and as work dogs. That was long before man let their dogs lay around the house in pajamas.
Its not pajamas, its a fleece pullover. And my kids were just being funny. She also had on my Texas Longhorns hat and some shades.