Good Boar

Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyNot, I am not a fool but apparently i think on a different level than you. Fear is not just a humane emotion. Have you never seen a mother animal lose it young and fly around frantic to find it. It fears for its babies life just as a humane mother would. I grew up farming, have been in the woods my entire life. I have watched wildlife for countless hours. While they are not humane, many animals do have some of the very same emotions that humans do. Not saying emotions like happy joy joy sad boohoo kinda stuff but the bsics.

Science says the opposite of this. They do not have emotions. They have a drive to survive and reproduce. We know what parts of the brain allow for fear, sadness, etc. and guess what, with exception to a few of the animals with extremely high intellegence they have no concept of such things. O mother who has lost a baby is not flying around in fear, but on the drive to ensure survival of the species. they are more about making sure the baby is truly gone and there is no hope of it living. Simply because it is driven to, not because it will become depressed, eat a bowl of ice cream and then kill its self.
 
Originally Posted By: RedfrogIs your dog wearing pajamas?

Nope, as i have stated before, my kids were having fun messing around and put my fleece pullover, Longhorns hat and shades on it and said look Dad.
 
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyOriginally Posted By: guessAndy you obviously don't know much about dogs either. do your homework. The majority of dog breeds were developed as working dogs. poodles were originally hunting dogs do some reading on dogs breeds. Until left wingers got to jacking with them you would be amazed at how many foo foo fluffy dogs were hunting dogs.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.

Nope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.

See there is the problem, you are trying to force your values onto us. You are using your perception of right and wrong to shame and speak out against something you really do not understand. What joy do you get out of owning a dog? Why do you choose to own it? These guys gets dogs with a very specific task in mind. They celebrate not that animal was caught, but that they have worked hours to train and get the dogs to be succesful. They do not sit around and say how awesome it was to see the hog chewed up, but marvel in the dogs courage and strength. How many bird hunters to you see talking about how the bird died? None, because that is not he joy of hunting behind dogs. It is not about the kill, but the training and chase.

While it is not how you may chose to hunt, do not bash it. I may not chose the same method you use, but I will not sit here and join sides with the anti hunting crew.
 
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyNope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.

All the dog you breed were at some point in history used as hunting and running animals. Using dogs to hunt is just one of many methods of hunting, maybe a little more barbaric than others, but humans are barbaric. Thats why we are at the top of the food chain.

As for being from Texas goes, I dont think that has any legitimacy in this conversation, but if you wanna take that route I'll bite. Hunting is a diverse sport with many different methods. People use different ways in different parts of the world. Hog Dogging happens to be very popular in Texas and the south, but to say it is in anyway wrong compared to another method just because of your personal opinion is not making a valid point.




 
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well i am sorry if i offended some of the folks on here. I was just trying to show my dogs off after a good hunt.It takes alot of time and work to get dogs to this point.


p.s the boar was tied up and brought out alive and despite what you may think there wasnt any blood from hog or dog.and if you would like to pet him he is in a pen.
 
optimaandy, you think dogs have alway been pets and not used for a job, are you kidding me. not to say my dogs arent pets, my best dogs sleeps in the house and spends more time with me then my wife does, but the dog also goes to work with me everyday and has to work, she will work hogs, coyotes, beaver, what ever i need to put her on, shes one heck of a good pet but her first job is to hunt, maybe you should stick with a cat and knitting or something like that if you dont care for hunting with dogs, cause people have been using dogs to hunt with for a long time
 
Okay Andy since you chose to go there.
To raise any of the breeds you mentioned for any other purpose than what they were originally developed for is unethical.

They have a strong natural desire to do what they were bred for and it is cruel, unethical torture, causing great mental anguish to neglect their natural desires.

I expect such behavior from left wing people living in Maine.

No offense to you normal thinking Maine guys.

If you have an open mind then read on you may learn a thing or two here on this HUNTING forum. If you continue with your line of thinking then you obviously don't belong here.

I do not appreciate you using my other post to further your agenda then you come here and make personal attacks on all Texans. NOT COOL! no matter what state you live in.

BAR M
that is my favorite color hog! By the way we killed a silver colored hog last night. there were 2 white babies in the group that I tried to catch but I'm too old, fat and slow!
 
AWhen the world was created, First Man and First Woman struggled to stay live and warm through the first winter. First Dog struggled also. Deep in the winter, First Dog gave birth to her pups. Each night, she huddled in the brush of the forest, longingly watching the fire which kept First Man and First Woman warm. First Winter was severe, so cold that First Dog dared not leave her pups to search for food to fill her own belly, fearing that her pups would freeze to death in her absence. She curled around them, but the wind was bitter. Her belly shrank with hunger, and soon she had no milk. The smallest pup perished, and First Dog felt her own life draining away as she struggled to care for the remaining pups. Fearing for the fate of the others, she knew she had no choice but to approach the fire and ask First Woman and First Man to share their food and the fire's warmth. Slowly, she crept to the fire and spoke to First Woman who was heavy with child. "I am a mother," said First Dog, "and soon you will be a mother too. I want my little ones to survive, just as you will want your little one to survive. So I will ask you to make a pact." First Woman and First Man listened. "I am about to die. Take my pups. You will raise them and call them Dog. They will be your guardians. They will alert you to danger, keep you warm, guard your camp, and even lay down their life to protect your life and the lives of your children. They will be companions to you and all your generations, never leaving your side,as long as Mankind shall survive. In return, you will share your food and the warmth of your fire. You will treat my children with love and kindness, and tend to them if they become ill, just as if they were born from your own belly. And if they are in pain, you will take a sharp knife to their throat and end their misery. In exchange for this, you will have the loyalty of my children and their offspring until the end of time." First Man and First Woman agreed. First Dog went to her nest in the brush, and with the last of her strength, one by one, she brought her pups to the fire. As she did so, First Woman gave birth to First Child, wrapped her in rabbit skins, and nestled First Child among the pups by the fireside. First Dog lay down by the fire, licked her pups, then walked away to die under the stars. Defore she disappeared into the darkness, she turned and spoke once more to First Man, "My children will honor the pact for all generations. But if Man breaks this pact, if you or your children's children deny even one Dog food, warmth, a kind word or a merciful end, your generations will be Aplagued with war, hunger, and disease, and so shall this remain until the pact is honored again by all Mankind." With this, First Dog entered the night and returned in spirit to the Creator. Lakota Legend ----------------------------------------------------
 
between goldthwaite and hamilton. 2 hrs north of austin 1.5 west of waco. there is only two houses here no post office its not much of a town. lol
 
I will go so far as to say this as well. Breeding and raising several breeds of dogs and cats doesn't mean you know a thing about those dogs and cats. The hundreds of puppy and kitten mills out there are testimony to that. Any one can put a stud with a gyp and get a litter of pups, raise em to 6-8 weeks and sell 'em. Studying the breed and putting together good matings and working towards a goal of great pups is something else.

And what people sense as fear , animals just sense as
" better get the h@ll outta Dodge !"
 
First off I would like to start out by saying, I didn't post these pictures with the intent to make anyone mad.

This is what we do. We take out 4 bay dogs and 2 catch dogs.
These dogs are not FORCED to do this, we have gone threw a lot that don't do it and they go to pet homes.
I believe the dogs we have now like doing what they do. If they didn't then they could go back to the truck.

Second off, How is it barbaric?
I could understand if this was a little 10lb pig. But we catch pigs anywhere from 100lbs and UP
4 - 40lb cur dogs against a 280lb pig? Sounds pretty fair.
The pigs are not sensitive. Trust me. We have had them cut up dogs pretty bad and kill a few. We carry staples and stitchin supplies. Its not like the pig gets scared and lays down. He goes to fighting.
We either carry the pigs out alive or stick them with a knife. Yes I am a GIRL, and by no means do I think this is cruel.

Do you know how many hog doggers donate the meat from the pigs to shelters and the less fortunate people.

About: how wrong it is? Have you seen what pigs do to farm land? We have farmers and ranchers that WANT us to hunt their land. Its not like our dogs go out killing everything they see. They are trained to not mess with anything but pigs.
My dogs are not mistreated in anyway. They all come in the house. Play with my 3 yr old son. Eat raw meat every day.
Would you rather pit bulls end up in pounds and put to sleep or used for catching pigs? Which sounds more in humane?

I am NOT sorry for what we do. If it hurt your feelings then please don't read any of our post. You can just as easily skip to the next one.

As for you that stood by us,
Thank You!
Katie Mize
(The wife & photographer)

Bar M Kennels
 
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OK.... I am not in this hunt!!!! I will not and will not choose either side. I am a hunter and I really love the sport!!!! I can see both sides of this whole story. I really wish that we could be open enough to see each others thoughts. Have some respect for each others feelings, thoughts, and for the way in which a fellow hunter obtains his game of choice. I see and hear stories and pictures sometimes here that I do not agree with and I keep my opinion to myself. We really need to be more supportive of our fellow hunters for we get enough opposition from the non hunters. I personally would not like to see live dog on live game pics. I hound hunt...... I use dogs as a means of obtaining game. I feel that we can post pics of out hunt without showing pics of dogs holding, catching game.
I feel that we all have the same right to be here. We are hunters!!!! We all use different ways, tools, devices of trying to obtain a certain kind of game. I do not take the time to bash or blame someone for doing something that I would not do. If I do not like something on here that I see or read I just move on to another post.
PLEASE.... Both sides of this subject,,, let it go. Respect each others views. Lets put our energies twards supporting our GOD given right....... "HUNTING"
 
YOUR A GIRL! That does it, I can't talk to you anymore!
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lol Yes I am a girl.

Well Bar M is the name of our kennels.
It is my husband and I. but I do alot of the posting.
I am the photographer. =] I get to stick a pig every now and
then. I love it.
 
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