Originally Posted By: ChilsonOriginally Posted By: Tbone-AZI don't know if poison is the lazy way.. But i will say that it works..
Those old M88 canisters that you would smear with bait to get the coyotes to bite it worked..
I think the poison in measured ways could be the way to deal with hogs..
The hogs are good to shoot and their populations are growing, but for the farmers, there is a way to use some types of posion that are very effective and would be the way to get that kind of problem under control.
Our Grandfathers used what works, and they were able to deal with the issues of the time. They didn't handcuff themselves like we do..
Again my biggest issue is that Government trappers are allowed to use methods that are Illegal for hunters, or even trappers, and I don't like as a tax payer, paying for someone to handle the animals on someones land. The Governmnent doesn't come to my house and paint it for me, they shouldn't charge me to take care of a ranchers coyotes. Maybe if they stopped this there would be more of an incentive for ranchers to open up some of their land to responsible trappers or hunters.
first off the coyote getter was before the m-44 it was pretty much the same except it used a fireing pin to set a 38 shell loaded with sodium cynanide into the coyotes saliva glands when pulled it is virtualy the same as the m-44s today except the m-44s are spring loaded cyanide kills quickly under ten seconds no more then 15 generaly. toxicants like strichnine and compound 1080 are no longer legal with the exception of compound 1080 used in livestock protection collars which is strapped to a "bait" herd of sheep or goats and when the killinf canines puctures the neck he also punctures the plastic pounch filled with compound 1080 thus killing the offending animal it is a direct way to target the canine. m-44s are a useful tool they kill quickly that is why they can be checked less but m-44s are not more effctive then the foothold trap some of you feel they are youre simply wrong they are just a tool that worked in areas where frequent checks could move coyotes that are killing or pose a threat. And actualy m-44s can be used bye private applicators you have to go thru pretty the same certification and trainign and follow the hundres of ridiculous laws we do when useing them........if we are in violation we stand the chance of thousands of dallors in fines and it has happend. Im sorry some of you feel that ranchers should just let every tom dick and harry in who sayes hes a responsible hunter or trapper the landowwners do pay for these services thru commodity boards or head roll taxes and an agreement between them and the usda as well as the county and state is needed. im sorry you guys feel like gov trappers are takeing something away from you. Its my job to kill coyotes and predators that are causeing depradation on livestock.. i do not know about other states and there regulations perhaps you guys should do some asking around. i figured id clear a few things up people have wild ideas on things these days im not going to argue with anyone of you i got a job to do and thats killing coyotes lions fox and cats that are killing livrstock.............there is an option thew type less hunt and trap more
I don't hold the Federal hunters in hostile regaurds... I personally sat and talked to the one that I ran into for an hour asking him what he was doing and how, and he was doing the same.. Both learning from each other.
I get that the department is funded by taxes, but the issue is that those taxes don't fully fund since they go into the general fund and also raise the price of meat.
I also think that it's not right if the trappers can use methods that non-goverment people cannot. If they were playing by the same rules, I don't have an issue with the Program.. But I also say the program and not the individual. I understand that anyone can get the permit to gas, or poision.
But a hunter/trapper cannot posion, or trap on public lands, nor can they Spotlight in the truck in all regions of the state.
But my bigger point is that there are methods out there that would work to limit or deal with problem issues as long as we don't confine ourselves into a box. Our Grandpa's didn't limit themselves, and the Government control tells us how we have to do things, but they don't know how to run a ranch or farm. cyanide and strichnine work and can be an effective tool, adn I am sorry, i knew it was a m44 and not the 88. Furadan would take care of the hog issue and works better than the other two discussed, but we have banned it.
Dispite all this, thank you Chilson, for sharing your wealth of information.