grizz bear

Ok , I surrender!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I was just giving info like everyone else! I'm gonna get ready for my Alberta black bear hunt now! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Taken my bow again, it's way more fun. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Tim
 
hay man i would think that the 300um should do the trick a guy i hunted with brought deer hnting and blow it right in half so it sould work for grizzly bear. it will work if u shoot it in the right spot anyways i hear of a guy that was out hunting small game with a 22 and he came across a pissed off bear he had to un load a ful clip in to at like 2 yard and he got really maned up bad but the bear did die he just shot it in the right spot i guess

but then i shot a black bear with a 30.06 4 times and a nuther guy 3 with a 300 and it was alive two hours later

just remeber if it dosnt work u dont have to out run the bear just ur guide
 
.223Shooter.......What ever the caliber you choose, be it a 30-06 or 300 Ultra mag, remember that it is very important to practice and build a mind set to those things that can happen in bear country.

Meaning simulate shooting at a charging bear, by putting a target at ranges from 40 to 10 yards in front of you. Start slow and get faster. Never let a bear get closer than 40 yards before hammering him, they are lightning quick. This builds confidence and that is what a hunter needs when put into a bear situation, even though not all charges are serious ones. You should be prepaired none the less and have premium bullets in your rifle.

You can have a friend pull a cardboard box with a rope and black circle for a target on it. He starts pulling and hollars bear! You try to hit that 3 inch spot on the target as he stands behind you pulling, as many times as you can. The bear can cover 40 yards in around 3 seconds, to give your some idea OK. Your looking at a head shot or break the spine on a charge.
 
These type of conversations always crack me up!! LOL. Always information from thems that don't know! "Don't use this, don't use that., I've done a ton of grizzily killing so I know, etc, etc, etc ... " Guys griz aren't hard too kill if you have agood shot and most importantly your lucky but a few defy all! A 12 gauge with slugs (NOT Fosters)is deadly at under 20. Beats the 45/70 as you can use a pump! Just masterbate that baby!! Any rifle can do well (my 30-30 has been fine until I cracked the stock on a critter with a butt stroke (oh it did stop it but the stock was shot!)For defense use what you can get into action fast and accurately. I use the 12ga pump (best for me, fast very fast), 47/70 (GG or revolver) to a larger bore rifle depending on my mood or more importantly what I'm doing as I'm out with them bears regularly. For hunting yep choose as powerful calibar as you can handle accurately does eliminate problems. But problems do happen and amazingly its the hunter that creates it AFTER the shot!! Just amazes me!!
 
The best advise I could give you is to choose your guide more carefully than you choose your rifle! A good guide can make or break a hunt, espicially in Alaska, trust me on this. kyray.
 
John/Alaska......First off John I do know something and have hunted the big and small bears!
I say to YOU and mean every word I type, that telling someone your from Alaska and they shouln't pay heed to what others say about bears, just use a pump shotgun and "Masterbait" the weapon, is RUDE and CRUDE and PISS POOR INFORMATION IN SPADES. You wouldn't make a pimple on a bear hunters ARSE.

However, YOU say you use a 12 gauge pump, which by all standards using the slugs over the counter these days, is only good for less than 20 yards.
Slugs DON'T PENETRATE......Hear my words!!!

Remember this man wants to hunt a Gizzly Bear,
NOT challenge it to a face on dual at less than 20 yards! Shotguns with slugs are less than half as accurate as a rifle caliber at 40 yards, let alone a 100 yards, where many bears are hit in the first place, distance wise if guided by an outfitter.

The only type SLUG suitable for dangerous game animals in the wild it the Jim Gates "TERMANATOR SLUG" it will do the job in spades. Now carrying a shotgun with you in Alaska is OK to do I suppose. I have a friend who cuts his grass on a riding lawn mower while doing so. It is the only time he packs that shotgun with him period.

I sir, use a .416 magnum model 70 Winchester Safari Grade Rifle, using a 350 grain "Swift A Frame Bullet" when hunting big bears and my back up man uses a .458 Lott with 500 grain Barnes X bullets. My 416 mag is a real bear killer at 200 yards. I don't shoot a bear over 100 yards for several reasons. It also will stop a charge, however not near as well as the .458-Lott with a 500 grainer in the magazine. I don't advocate any hunter packing a caliber rifle you can not use without being able to handle it well in the field or practice range. You must be able to hit your mark, this is #1 on the list in any hunting but especially if your hunting dangerous game. I won't get into the fact of having a Control Round Fed Magazine rifle in your hands when doing so.
3 position safety, and a Big Claw Extractor in the action.

The proper and safe way to kill a dangerous game animal like a bear is to break it down first with a shot through both shoulders and then administor the killing shot to the vital heart and lung area.
In closing I will say that the 300 Ultra mag with either the (200grn. being minimum) 220 or 250 grain bullets loaded downward in the area of 2600fps to 2750fps is the way to go and limits less chance of bullet failure. This is the way I would go after bear in the wild. PS I had two of these caliber rifles and converted one to a 338/300 magnum, both in model 70 Winchesters.
 
i am selling my 300 ultra to my neighbor for $800 and i am thinking of ordering a savage 116SE Safari Express in 458 Win. Mag. or a remington 700 lss in 375 Rem Ultra Mag.

i plan to top it off with a loupy 2-7

this is due to the fact that i would feel a little more comfidince in bigger gun. i don't know much about the savage yet i have a remington lss in 7mm mag and love it. also the remington would be slightly cheaper.

it was funny though how i ended up selling the 300. my neighbor came down to my house when i was cutting the grass telling me he was going to buy a bear tag yet didn't have a gun big enough so i told him i had just what he wanted /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif man that sure worked out perfect!
 
oh sorry i guess i didn't say how i was getting their or anything sorry. i will fly there and stay in my buddies cabin who will be guideing me around. he has been at it for about 5 years now. i have booked the flight already so all that i still have to buy is the rifle, bullets, and a tag.
 
what about the 300 wby in a vangurad? i think these are the three i will look more into yet i would like to hear you feelings on them

thanks

and as far as footwear i am thinking buying my buddy a the biggest heavest boots i can find /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif :rolleyes:
 
223Shooter~~~You must first and upmost be able to handle the caliber rifle your going to hunt bear with in the wild, meaning your hitting the mark on the target a high percentage of your shots. You must also be able to deal with it's recoil and recover from said recoil. Then put in that all important second shot, which is going to be the designated "kill shot" on the bear. Not to say that the first shot won't kill the bear undetrstand. The first shot is to break it down by shooting through the shoulders, so it can't run off into the bush.

Those calibers you mentioned are heavy hitters to say the least! The recoil is NOT pleasant and trying to practice with such a rifle in one of those calibers is NOT going to be a house warming event. If I were you I would opt for a .338 Winchester magnum, simply because I know even with it's recoil, you can shoot that rifle very well if you use a PAST RECOIL PAD (which sell for around 35 dollars). A 225 or 250 grain premium bullet will travel deep and deliver lots of muzzle energy to the bear. It kicks much less than an ULTRA MAG! Using a 30-06 with a 220 grain premium bullet will get you the same results in a rifle combination you will be able to handle and still have lots of confidence in while your hunting the bears.
 
I'll be going to AK this fall on a combo hunt with a buddy and his dad. We all will have tags for something. My buddy will have the griz tag and caribou, his dad will have a black bear tag and caribou, and I will have a moose tag and caribou. But, we are only taking two guns between us. My buddy is handloading for his .338, which they both will use, and I will be using my .300 Win. We have gotten the O.K. from our guide to try to call a bear, not blind call, but spot one and call it into range. His dad will be running the video camera if and when we are trying to call a bear into range. SO, if it turns out that the .338 isn't enough, we'll have proof on film. Of course, if it is enough, we'll be back to tell about it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Just 3 more months!
Only thing that I'd suggest to ya .223shooter, is best be making your decision soon so ya can get some practice in with your new rifle! And good luck!! Maybe we can swap stories this fall /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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