puppypopper
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Lou , one of the wardens that you saw was probaly Mike . I know him and he realy is cool about alot of things .
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Boomer,
In my personal experience, attending the hearings is a good way to vent our frustrations, but it's too late to create or influence the proposed regulation changes for the year.
For example, I attended the hearings when the NCWRC changed a good portion of Butner/Falls game lands from gun to archery only, and the decision had already been made - the NCWRC was not really accepting any counter-proposals from the audience.
I would prefer to find a way to work through a NCWRC commissioner - that way a proposal would carry much more weight and would probably be presented to the full commission by the "sponsoring" commissioner. I have no idea whether the commissioners are willing to take input from individuals or groups but that was what I was thinking. If we could come up with several simply-worded, concrete proposals, perhaps we could find a commissioner willing to listen and "carry the ball" forward?
Lou
In my personal experience, attending the hearings is a good way to vent our frustrations, but it's too late to create or influence the proposed regulation changes for the year.
For example, I attended the hearings when the NCWRC changed a good portion of Butner/Falls game lands from gun to archery only, and the decision had already been made - the NCWRC was not really accepting any counter-proposals from the audience.
I would prefer to find a way to work through a NCWRC commissioner - that way a proposal would carry much more weight and would probably be presented to the full commission by the "sponsoring" commissioner. I have no idea whether the commissioners are willing to take input from individuals or groups but that was what I was thinking. If we could come up with several simply-worded, concrete proposals, perhaps we could find a commissioner willing to listen and "carry the ball" forward?
Lou
puppypopper
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Lou , you are on the right track , that is how the NCBA gets all the bowhunting regs changed .
dimecovers3
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I just got off of the phone with the NCWC , take note I have been on the phone for a hour and a half . Here is the low down and skinny .
There is no closed season on yotes or groundhogs , but you can only hunt them on gamelands when something else is in season . If some type of small game season is in you are allowed to use a 22 rim fire rifle , or a shotgun with shot no larger than #4 . If big game season is in you can hunt with what ever . Other than that its a 22 pistol .
Now each set of game lands has its own set of rules and allowinses . So you have to check your rules to see what you can do .
Now here whats chaps my butt . We went through this earler this year and they told me what I though was right . I had even went to three of the local GW's here in the central area and they told me the same as what I have said earler.
I did ask about when and if there is no info or rules to gamelands on open season animals what would be the rule. The answer was that it would be up to the individual GW and he would be their call .
So it looks like that I was wrong , which i don't have a problem admitting , but I do have a problem when you put my trust in to the commision and get a bunch of BS and a run around .
From what it looks like from my veiw after talking with the commision ,FOR THE LAST TIME is that they dont know if they are coming or going .
Sorry for all the confusion and I hope this will help to clairify things .
Possible loophole:
Can't you hunt crows three days a week on gamelands and wouldn't that mean that you are now hunting on those days when something other than coyotes were in season? Three days a week with a centerfire beats zero.
I just got off of the phone with the NCWC , take note I have been on the phone for a hour and a half . Here is the low down and skinny .
There is no closed season on yotes or groundhogs , but you can only hunt them on gamelands when something else is in season . If some type of small game season is in you are allowed to use a 22 rim fire rifle , or a shotgun with shot no larger than #4 . If big game season is in you can hunt with what ever . Other than that its a 22 pistol .
Now each set of game lands has its own set of rules and allowinses . So you have to check your rules to see what you can do .
Now here whats chaps my butt . We went through this earler this year and they told me what I though was right . I had even went to three of the local GW's here in the central area and they told me the same as what I have said earler.
I did ask about when and if there is no info or rules to gamelands on open season animals what would be the rule. The answer was that it would be up to the individual GW and he would be their call .
So it looks like that I was wrong , which i don't have a problem admitting , but I do have a problem when you put my trust in to the commision and get a bunch of BS and a run around .
From what it looks like from my veiw after talking with the commision ,FOR THE LAST TIME is that they dont know if they are coming or going .
Sorry for all the confusion and I hope this will help to clairify things .
Possible loophole:
Can't you hunt crows three days a week on gamelands and wouldn't that mean that you are now hunting on those days when something other than coyotes were in season? Three days a week with a centerfire beats zero.
puppypopper
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Page # 52 of your nc regs book is tonights winner .
Under the heading of migratory game birds - season , it states that on wed , fri , and sat of each week from june 1 throught the last day of feb plus labor day, thanksgiving day and Christams Day .
So if we take what I was told , which was some type of small game needed to be in , then this would mean that some thing is in from june to feb and we will be able to use a 22 cal rimfire rifle and a shotgun with loads no larger than #4 shot .
Anyone want to take a gander at what I will be doing saturday evening after I get done painting the porch ?
Under the heading of migratory game birds - season , it states that on wed , fri , and sat of each week from june 1 throught the last day of feb plus labor day, thanksgiving day and Christams Day .
So if we take what I was told , which was some type of small game needed to be in , then this would mean that some thing is in from june to feb and we will be able to use a 22 cal rimfire rifle and a shotgun with loads no larger than #4 shot .
Anyone want to take a gander at what I will be doing saturday evening after I get done painting the porch ?
The more I think about this the more upset I get. Seems like we as predator hunters on gamelands are immediately guilty of poaching, when we are actually trying to legally and ethically harvest the whitetail deer's biggest natural predator, the coyote. I think the reasoning in Raleigh is this: the .22 mag is quiet enough that poachers like to use it. The report will not give away their location. How about keeping the .22 mag illegal outside of deer season, but ALLOW any centerfire rifle (not handgun...again, not much report) during off seasons, IF you are coyote hunting ONLY. No target shooting, etc. Most any centerfire is loud enough to discourage poachers(except for some exotics like Whisper, but not many poachers I've seen would go to that expense). Make sense? Mainly, it keeps us from being guilty until proven innocent!!!
I don't see any restriction of PCP high powered air guns, now that's a thought...
I don't see any restriction of PCP high powered air guns, now that's a thought...
blackhawk309
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puppypopper-- I've already asked about crow season. In the same paragraph it says ( crows are listed as NONGAME migratory birds ). They said crows don't count as a game season. BUT... can you crow hunt on any gameland? I don't know. That puts crows and coyotes in the same NONGAME class. If you can't have a shotgun or rifle on g.lands, because no game season is open, then we've lost crow and coyote hunting on g.lands. The deeper we all dig into some of the shady rules, the sicker I get of how the NCWRC expects anybody to understand them. No wonder every warden tells you something different when the book and his superiors are so vague. The rule book could be so simple as to say for example:
Coyote- *No closed season statewide.
*No weapons restriction on private lands.
*On g.lands, only...[whatever].. are allowed.
*No bag limits.
*No hunter orange required.
Just an example. Point is they could list everything that pertains to coyote hunting in ONE paragragh. Not bits and pieces and exceptions thru out the book. They could do the same with crows and groundhogs.
I honestly believe, we could go coyote hunting today on gamelands, with our .17 HMR, .22 Mag or shotgun, MAKE the game warden write us a citation, and go to court and WIN the case. No D.A. or the NCWRC could prove {by the regulations book) that you broke any law. No where does that book say that some other game seasons must be open.
Coyote- *No closed season statewide.
*No weapons restriction on private lands.
*On g.lands, only...[whatever].. are allowed.
*No bag limits.
*No hunter orange required.
Just an example. Point is they could list everything that pertains to coyote hunting in ONE paragragh. Not bits and pieces and exceptions thru out the book. They could do the same with crows and groundhogs.
I honestly believe, we could go coyote hunting today on gamelands, with our .17 HMR, .22 Mag or shotgun, MAKE the game warden write us a citation, and go to court and WIN the case. No D.A. or the NCWRC could prove {by the regulations book) that you broke any law. No where does that book say that some other game seasons must be open.
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Page # 52 of your nc regs book is tonights winner .
Under the heading of migratory game birds - season , it states that on wed , fri , and sat of each week from june 1 throught the last day of feb plus labor day, thanksgiving day and Christams Day .
So if we take what I was told , which was some type of small game needed to be in , then this would mean that some thing is in from june to feb and we will be able to use a 22 cal rimfire rifle and a shotgun with loads no larger than #4 shot .
Anyone want to take a gander at what I will be doing saturday evening after I get done painting the porch ?
Puppypopper,
First let me reiterate that I am totally in favor of revising the NCWRC Game Land regulations to allow year-round crow, coyote, and groundhog hunting. (Crow hunting within federal seasons of course).
However, I think you may get in trouble with your above interpretation of the regulations - depending on the local GW, of course!
Here is a quote from p.55 of the 2007-2008 regs, under the topic of Gamelands, sub-topic "weapons":
"During closed seasons and closed hunting days on game birds(waterfowl, doves, wood [beeep], snipe, rails, gallinules, moorhens, coots, grouse, pheasant, quail, turkey) and game animals (deer, bear, fox, rabbits, squirrels, boar, bobcats, opossum, raccoon), it is unlawful to possess any firearm or bow and arrow readily available for use. During that time in which fox season is the only open season for a game animal, it is also unlawful to possess these weapons.
The following exceptions, however, should be noted:
- Possession is allowed on field-trial and designated target shooting areas and in camping areas for defense of person or property.
- 22-caliber pistols with barrels, not greater than 7.5 inches in length and shooting only short, long or long rifle ammunition, may be carried as side arms on game lands at any time, except by hunters during the special bow-and-arrow and muzzleloading firearms deer hunting season.
- Individuals training dogs during closed season without field-trial authorization are prohibited from carrying any weapon.
- A bow and fishing arrows may be possessed when used as a
licensed special fishing device in those waters, where such
use is authorized."
On p.52, Crows are identified as NONGAME migratory birds.
Therefore, following the statement above "During closed seasons and closed hunting days on GAME birds.....and GAME animals.....", having a shotgun with ANY SIZE shot during these closed GAME seasons is in violation. At least that's how I interpret it.
Again, be careful and by all means specifically check with the game warden(s) who cover the game lands on which you intend to hunt.
Best Regards,
Lou
Page # 52 of your nc regs book is tonights winner .
Under the heading of migratory game birds - season , it states that on wed , fri , and sat of each week from june 1 throught the last day of feb plus labor day, thanksgiving day and Christams Day .
So if we take what I was told , which was some type of small game needed to be in , then this would mean that some thing is in from june to feb and we will be able to use a 22 cal rimfire rifle and a shotgun with loads no larger than #4 shot .
Anyone want to take a gander at what I will be doing saturday evening after I get done painting the porch ?
Puppypopper,
First let me reiterate that I am totally in favor of revising the NCWRC Game Land regulations to allow year-round crow, coyote, and groundhog hunting. (Crow hunting within federal seasons of course).
However, I think you may get in trouble with your above interpretation of the regulations - depending on the local GW, of course!
Here is a quote from p.55 of the 2007-2008 regs, under the topic of Gamelands, sub-topic "weapons":
"During closed seasons and closed hunting days on game birds(waterfowl, doves, wood [beeep], snipe, rails, gallinules, moorhens, coots, grouse, pheasant, quail, turkey) and game animals (deer, bear, fox, rabbits, squirrels, boar, bobcats, opossum, raccoon), it is unlawful to possess any firearm or bow and arrow readily available for use. During that time in which fox season is the only open season for a game animal, it is also unlawful to possess these weapons.
The following exceptions, however, should be noted:
- Possession is allowed on field-trial and designated target shooting areas and in camping areas for defense of person or property.
- 22-caliber pistols with barrels, not greater than 7.5 inches in length and shooting only short, long or long rifle ammunition, may be carried as side arms on game lands at any time, except by hunters during the special bow-and-arrow and muzzleloading firearms deer hunting season.
- Individuals training dogs during closed season without field-trial authorization are prohibited from carrying any weapon.
- A bow and fishing arrows may be possessed when used as a
licensed special fishing device in those waters, where such
use is authorized."
On p.52, Crows are identified as NONGAME migratory birds.
Therefore, following the statement above "During closed seasons and closed hunting days on GAME birds.....and GAME animals.....", having a shotgun with ANY SIZE shot during these closed GAME seasons is in violation. At least that's how I interpret it.
Again, be careful and by all means specifically check with the game warden(s) who cover the game lands on which you intend to hunt.
Best Regards,
Lou
puppypopper
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BAM !!!!!!
Just got off of the phone with Lee Sissitte . She is with the NCWC . She said that we could go on to game lands and hunt hogs and yotes . Due to the fact that crow season is in we can now go and hunt on gamelands . We just have to follow the crow season rules as far as which days to hunt , wed , fri and sat . We also have to follow shot size .
If you would like to call her or the commision the # is 919-707-0030 .
Lets go hunting !!!!
Just got off of the phone with Lee Sissitte . She is with the NCWC . She said that we could go on to game lands and hunt hogs and yotes . Due to the fact that crow season is in we can now go and hunt on gamelands . We just have to follow the crow season rules as far as which days to hunt , wed , fri and sat . We also have to follow shot size .
If you would like to call her or the commision the # is 919-707-0030 .
Lets go hunting !!!!
blackhawk309
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puppypopper-- when you say we must follow shot size??? There is no shot size "when hunting coyotes/waterfowl". Page 55 says "except any size steel or other nontoxic shot may be used while waterfowl or coyote hunting". No size limits. I'm assuming she said pretty much what the book says on p.55. 22 rimfires and shotguns... but can go ONLY on legal crow days, Wed, Fri, Sat. Right?? That's alright. We got a fairly new g.land up here which is a 3 day g.land, Mon, Wed, and Sat. Lots of yotes with farms surrounding it.
ps-- I'll carry her name and number when I do go.
ps-- I'll carry her name and number when I do go.
puppypopper
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bh - yea , i went back again and looked it over for about the one billionth time . any shot size works for me . now if i just could take out my ar anytime , that would be nice .
lets go hunting .!
lets go hunting .!
OK folks. Just purchased a 3.5 inch Mag yesterday after looking at the NC laws. After reading your site today I am dismayed. I thought I was perfectly safe on gamelands. I will be hunting the Uwharrie Gamelands but I am still a little nervous about my purchase, shot size and whether I should take a chance with local wardens. Gamelands are my only option in North Carolina. Appreciate any comments on hunting possibilities around Winston Salem.
I used to call fox a little up in Ohio at night when the pelts were worth something. I do not see much fox sign here. Any and all comments appreciated.
I used to call fox a little up in Ohio at night when the pelts were worth something. I do not see much fox sign here. Any and all comments appreciated.
ncyotecaller
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Hey there Newyote! You can use shot size up to T on gamelands. Dead coyote is your best bet. You should try the gamelands in Caswell county. I have called some there for the last two years with some success.
Thanks Ncyotecaller : Will check out Caswell when it cools off a little. Have a trailer down in Uwharrie & going down there for a couple days. I am thinking with a small boat I can get on the backside of them where there is no human entrence & maybe they won`t be so skittish. This used to work with deer sometimes. Will be off line a couple days. THANKS AGAIN
blackhawk309
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In the 2007-2008 NC regulations, p. 55, concerning gamelands, there is NO shot size limitations now. It MUST be steel or non-toxic, any size you want. Hevishot[nontoxic] T is the way to go with the right choke. I bought a Carlson Dead Coyote choke. You can choke down T shot too much if you're not careful and you'll start to loose the pattern. At 50 yds, I still had 50% of the pellets in a 12" circle.
PS. GoodLuck on hunting any gameland. With the officers here in Western NC, I'm not going on a gameland until the rules are better defined. I can't afford the ticket and chance of losing my gun and/or vehicle, which that can do. Good Luck.
PS. GoodLuck on hunting any gameland. With the officers here in Western NC, I'm not going on a gameland until the rules are better defined. I can't afford the ticket and chance of losing my gun and/or vehicle, which that can do. Good Luck.
NcWhitetail
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Guys,
Crow season was supposedly changed from Thur, Fri and Sat to, Wed, Fri and Sat to allow crow hunters more access to three day a week game lands. Thus giving those hunting GL only more hunting opportunities.
Crow season was supposedly changed from Thur, Fri and Sat to, Wed, Fri and Sat to allow crow hunters more access to three day a week game lands. Thus giving those hunting GL only more hunting opportunities.