heavy weight .223 bullet versus 6mm bullet

Originally Posted By: ChupathingyI think this requires a picture! Cuz people like me are saying "What the WHAT ?"
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Chupa

Well I don't know if it's a moot point, since it doesn't have anything to do with the OP's question, so here is a link to better show what I was talking about

VLD MAG and UPPER MODS
 
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Originally Posted By: cbass16Originally Posted By: ChupathingyI think this requires a picture! Cuz people like me are saying "What the WHAT ?"
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Chupa

Well I don't know if it's a moot point, since it doesn't have anything to do with the OP's question, so here is a link to better show what I was talking about

VLD MAG and UPPER MODS



That is very cool! So I take it that you have tried it out? No bugs?


Chupa
 
No bugs anymore, Bug-B-Gone took care of it lol. I just need to get home (to my apt) so I can start doing some more load tests.

95vld's are starting to show promise. I have them seated out to 2.34 (i think) and am getting sub 1" groups, but I know they can do better. I'm going to dig up some target pictures and make a recent range report.
 
Originally Posted By: cbass16No bugs anymore, Bug-B-Gone took care of it lol. I just need to get home (to my apt) so I can start doing some more load tests.
What were the bugs? I never had any when I was telling you about this Mag Mod.

Originally Posted By: cbass1695vld's are starting to show promise. I have them seated out to 2.34 (i think) and am getting sub 1" groups, but I know they can do better. I'm going to dig up some target pictures and make a recent range report.
Let me know what your OAL is, I have been at 2.315 to 2.325 and wondering about going longer.
 
First bug was that, prior to modifying the upper receiver, the tips would catch and fail to feed. 2.400 would fit in the lower, but only 2.32 would cycle into the chamber. Took a couple smashed tips to realize the problem.
Other bug was that the cut in the front of the mag doesn't need to be as wide, works a little better if it's just wide enough for the bullet tip to poke out, any more than that, and they start to want to slide to far forward in the mag. (not a huge deal after the upper was modified, because they can't go past the mag block wall anyway.

The two I tried with the 95 vlds were 2.34 with Varget and 2.400 with RL17, I will post the targets later today, I'm just leaving town for some 2nd side of the family christmas events.

I need to find a place to shoot, or I will have to wait till summer to perfect these. (got a range a few blocks from my dad's place) I reload at my apt, but only test the groups when I visit my cousin 5 hours away.
 
Please correct me if I am wrong.

After reading through all the responses, it appears that I gain nothing with the 6x45 as far as big game (deer, hog) hunting is concerned. I currently reload for .223 and have couple of AR's in .223.

The best would be to modify mag and rifle to accept 80 grains 22 cal bullets instead of going to 6x45. I am in Texas and game law allows .22 cal centerfire for hunting.
 
You do gain the option of having alot better choice in Big Game bullets the 223 dosent offer and you can load all the way to a 107 with the 6x45,

And with the 223 you have to make sure to have the twist to be able to stablize the 65+ gr bullets,, and alot of everyday built 223 dont, since most are built for Predators.
 
Originally Posted By: WSMBUCKYou do gain the option of having alot better choice in Big Game bullets the 223 dosent offer and you can load all the way to a 107 with the 6x45,

And with the 223 you have to make sure to have the twist to be able to stablize the 65+ gr bullets,, and alot of everyday built 223 dont, since most are built for Predators.



What twist is required for the 65 grainer? I see most 223 are in 1:9. A few in 1:7.
 
65's are the limit in both mine with the 9 twist neither shoots anything heavier worth a mess.
 
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I may have missed it but isn't the benefit of the 6x the ability to shot he 60-80 bullets a little faster then the 223. If you compare at the same speed then the 223 will look better, but due to the larger opening in the case the 6x is more efficient. AT least that how I understand it.
 
Originally Posted By: HoierWell there is no way your going to be able to shoot 80gr bullets out of a 223 AR unless your going single shot. They are to long to fit in the magazine.

But I think they make better hunting bullets for 6mm then .224.

But as far as long range goes, the 80gr .224 bullet will outperform the 80gr or even the 87gr(as stated above).

I have heard a 223 running a 80gr VLD is about the same ballistically as a 308 running a 168gr bullet.

80 might not but you could try 77gr Match - I shoot Black Hills and my pred pursuit loves them as well as the 60 gr V-max. Really wanting to try the 53gr superformance hornady though.
 
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