Hevi Shot "Dead Coyote" Ammunition ?
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Blaze
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I've been looking at setting up my Shotgun for this season and was wondering the same thing? I went to the Hevi Shot web site and couldn't find any information on it, were you able to? Tell me where seems like it would be effective, I guess it better be considering the cost of the other shells.
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Jack Roberts
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If you do a search in Firearms, there has been quite a bit posted about it. Pretty much all very positive.
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Blaze
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I did some searching on it and could not find much information either. I did learn that the shot size is suppose to be T or .20 between BB's and #4 Buckshot. They seem to have picked a good size since from what I've read BB's and #4 Buckshot seem to be the favorite of shotgunners who hunt coyotes.
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smallblockfuelie
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Byron South used it for his latest video.
GC
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This is also a load I have a great interest in. I'm having trouble finding a source for it at this time too.
A BB pellet is .177 (.17) caliber and I'm not sure what each individual pellet weighs. BB's and BBB loads work great for many callers with a good number of pellets for pattern density, yet large enough to do some real damage.
I've always preferred the Four Buck load for my calling. Four Buck is .243 (.24) caliber and think each pellet is around 20 grains in weight if I remember correctly. The 3" .12 gauge load with 41 pellets has worked very well for me and my Dad in our calling of the big timber of the Ozarks. Through my Benelli/Kick's combo this gives me solid 50-55 yard range.
The Hevi-Shot loads should prove excellent if they really do what they say the will. The T pellets are supposed to be .20 caliber and weigh about what a conventional lead Four Buck pellet weighs. I think I read somewhere there are 60 pellets in a three inch T load. The Hevi-Shot stuff seems to be loaded to higher velocity than about any other buckshot or BB load I've seen. I think what that would equate to would in essence be better sectional density (if that can be applied to a round pellet?) for deeper penetration. The higher velocity would transfer more energy on target. More pellets never hurts all other things equal. Combine all that with Hevi-Shot's superior tight patterning through standard modified and improved modified chokes. It should be a devastating coyote killer! Hevi-Shot claims 75 yard solid kills, and brother, that's a haul for any shotgun load! If this proves out true, my rifle time will be greatly diminished for my calling here in the heavy timber and brush. I seldom shoot over 75 yards with anything and much prefer the shotgun when I can utilize it.
I also think that Hevi-Shot has some BB loads out for waterfowlers in high velocity trim. That might prove to be darn good too. If I got any of that wrong someone please straighten me out. I'd love to get my hands on some of the Dead Coyote stuff to test on the range against my Federal Premium Four Buck. It'd be interesting what my Benelli standard chokes would do with the stuff as compared to the Kick's tube I currently use. Great stuff, I love shotgun predator calling!
A BB pellet is .177 (.17) caliber and I'm not sure what each individual pellet weighs. BB's and BBB loads work great for many callers with a good number of pellets for pattern density, yet large enough to do some real damage.
I've always preferred the Four Buck load for my calling. Four Buck is .243 (.24) caliber and think each pellet is around 20 grains in weight if I remember correctly. The 3" .12 gauge load with 41 pellets has worked very well for me and my Dad in our calling of the big timber of the Ozarks. Through my Benelli/Kick's combo this gives me solid 50-55 yard range.
The Hevi-Shot loads should prove excellent if they really do what they say the will. The T pellets are supposed to be .20 caliber and weigh about what a conventional lead Four Buck pellet weighs. I think I read somewhere there are 60 pellets in a three inch T load. The Hevi-Shot stuff seems to be loaded to higher velocity than about any other buckshot or BB load I've seen. I think what that would equate to would in essence be better sectional density (if that can be applied to a round pellet?) for deeper penetration. The higher velocity would transfer more energy on target. More pellets never hurts all other things equal. Combine all that with Hevi-Shot's superior tight patterning through standard modified and improved modified chokes. It should be a devastating coyote killer! Hevi-Shot claims 75 yard solid kills, and brother, that's a haul for any shotgun load! If this proves out true, my rifle time will be greatly diminished for my calling here in the heavy timber and brush. I seldom shoot over 75 yards with anything and much prefer the shotgun when I can utilize it.
I also think that Hevi-Shot has some BB loads out for waterfowlers in high velocity trim. That might prove to be darn good too. If I got any of that wrong someone please straighten me out. I'd love to get my hands on some of the Dead Coyote stuff to test on the range against my Federal Premium Four Buck. It'd be interesting what my Benelli standard chokes would do with the stuff as compared to the Kick's tube I currently use. Great stuff, I love shotgun predator calling!
Byron South
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Yes I did have some for testing, and they worked great. The load has 50, T size pellets starting at 1350 fps. Hevi-Shot uses thick, ribbed shot cups that allows for shooting tighter chokes. I have found in the past with larger shot, that the more open chokes would patern the best. This is not nesasarily true with the "Dead Coyote" load. While they would pattern good with modified chokes they did better with the tighter turkey chokes. Trulock chokes sent me some chokes to test and he has assured me that the larger Hevi-Shot pellets with not damage your shotgun or their chokes forcing them through such a tight constriction.
Here are some patterns that I shot with the load.
In this picture you can see the thick, ribed shot cup.
This load killed very reliably out to 50 yards or so for us (I have a couple of kills with it on my last video). I haven't shot anything past that with it, but would think that 75 yards would be pushing it a little thin. Also those pellets are not very big and would certainly not have much energy/penatration at that range. Would it kill them at that range? Maybe but don't think I would push it to much. This being said I believe this is the best shotgun load going for predators today. Hevi-shot being denser than lead retains its energy and penatrates deeper.
I have no idea when or where they are available, but you can go to Hevi-Shots website, get their number and give them a call.
Here are some patterns that I shot with the load.
In this picture you can see the thick, ribed shot cup.
This load killed very reliably out to 50 yards or so for us (I have a couple of kills with it on my last video). I haven't shot anything past that with it, but would think that 75 yards would be pushing it a little thin. Also those pellets are not very big and would certainly not have much energy/penatration at that range. Would it kill them at that range? Maybe but don't think I would push it to much. This being said I believe this is the best shotgun load going for predators today. Hevi-shot being denser than lead retains its energy and penatrates deeper.
I have no idea when or where they are available, but you can go to Hevi-Shots website, get their number and give them a call.
GC
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Byron,
Thanks for the information and posting the pictures. According to what I see in your patterning test in the pic's, that definately isn't a 75 yard load as advertised by Hevi-Shot. I thought that it was probably too good to be true. I was hoping....
If I only went from your pictures I wouldn't switch from what I'm currently using, I'd be going backwards! Of course I know that each combination is individual and performs differently, however, I'm not encouraged by those pictures. Thanks again for sharing those.
Thanks for the information and posting the pictures. According to what I see in your patterning test in the pic's, that definately isn't a 75 yard load as advertised by Hevi-Shot. I thought that it was probably too good to be true. I was hoping....
If I only went from your pictures I wouldn't switch from what I'm currently using, I'd be going backwards! Of course I know that each combination is individual and performs differently, however, I'm not encouraged by those pictures. Thanks again for sharing those.
GC
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Man this topic stays so current I can't get off the forums! I didn't see it in any of my Cabela's catalogs. $20.00 per ten rounds is about twice the price I'm paying for the Federal Premium Four Buck loads I'm currently using. I'll need to see a marked improvement in order to change over. At this point according to the pic's above, I don't see it. Please let us know how the Dead Coyote loads pattern for you. I'm still hoping.......
Byron South
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GC,
They just sent me three boxs (30 rounds) by the time I figured out which choke did the best. I only had one box left for hunting. I was shooting the patterns off handed and as you can tell the 30 and 50 yard target the center of the pattern was low. This I'm sure is my fault. I have been useing 3" #4 buck for years and it has been a great performer. My paterns with #4 are almost this good, but I believe the Hevi-Shot's denser patterns (41 vs 50 pellets), and deeper penatration, have me leaning to the Hevi-Shot. As you stated though, different shotguns/chokes prefer different loads.
They just sent me three boxs (30 rounds) by the time I figured out which choke did the best. I only had one box left for hunting. I was shooting the patterns off handed and as you can tell the 30 and 50 yard target the center of the pattern was low. This I'm sure is my fault. I have been useing 3" #4 buck for years and it has been a great performer. My paterns with #4 are almost this good, but I believe the Hevi-Shot's denser patterns (41 vs 50 pellets), and deeper penatration, have me leaning to the Hevi-Shot. As you stated though, different shotguns/chokes prefer different loads.
smallblockfuelie
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GC,
Can you shoot a 3 1/2" shell? I was shooting #4's last fall during turkey season and dropped a coyote in her tracks with it at 55 yards.
Can you shoot a 3 1/2" shell? I was shooting #4's last fall during turkey season and dropped a coyote in her tracks with it at 55 yards.
As Byron said, this stuff is pretty awesome so far. I have checked it in 12 different chokes and out to 50 yds. so far. Some of them shoot pretty well. Will be checking it on out before the seasons open up again to see what they can do on out a piece farther. For optimium performance it is best to use a red-dot sight or scope. Just using a vent rib can be misleading for patterns.
The reason for it being hard to find is they have not just come out with it yet. It was still in the testing process and maybe out shortly. Large quanities of this load have not been produced as of yet. Hopefully, this will change in the near future.
The reason for it being hard to find is they have not just come out with it yet. It was still in the testing process and maybe out shortly. Large quanities of this load have not been produced as of yet. Hopefully, this will change in the near future.
coon HOUND
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last year i gave my hunting partner a box
of hevi shot last year #4. he killed 9 predators
out of ten shells and the one he misted jumped
in the bush when he shot one of the coyotes
was 63yds and fail dead on the spot, killed a
red at 59yds to me thats pretty good in my book
of hevi shot last year #4. he killed 9 predators
out of ten shells and the one he misted jumped
in the bush when he shot one of the coyotes
was 63yds and fail dead on the spot, killed a
red at 59yds to me thats pretty good in my book
GC
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SteveM, if Dogboy above has ordered it from Cabela's it must be out in sufficient quantity for us to get our hot hands on some. I'm going to call Cabela's and see what they have to say.
CoonH, that's good performance for sure if a fellow can do it consistently. My current set-up would give me those kills if in the open such as a field. I'm real confident at 50 yards in the timber and would stretch a wide open shot to 60 yards. I've always considered that a real, real, long poke for anything, especially coyote sized critters, with a shotgun of any sort. You hear all kinds of tales, including one guy who claimed to have killed a fox at 125 yards with a shotgun and buckshot. My comment was that had to be the unluckiest fox in the world if there was any truth to the story! I could be wrong here, but I think Hevi-Shot is touting this Dead Coyote load as a 75 yard killer. While that seemed a mite far fetched, I'm still hoping....
CoonH, that's good performance for sure if a fellow can do it consistently. My current set-up would give me those kills if in the open such as a field. I'm real confident at 50 yards in the timber and would stretch a wide open shot to 60 yards. I've always considered that a real, real, long poke for anything, especially coyote sized critters, with a shotgun of any sort. You hear all kinds of tales, including one guy who claimed to have killed a fox at 125 yards with a shotgun and buckshot. My comment was that had to be the unluckiest fox in the world if there was any truth to the story! I could be wrong here, but I think Hevi-Shot is touting this Dead Coyote load as a 75 yard killer. While that seemed a mite far fetched, I'm still hoping....
coon HOUND
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GC i dont know if that 63yarded was just
one of those magic bb that you here about.
but to me 75yds is pretty fare for a shot gun
in my book. let me know how they do if you
test them out
one of those magic bb that you here about.
but to me 75yds is pretty fare for a shot gun
in my book. let me know how they do if you
test them out
Mike Pearson
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GC,
If you add more velocity to any object, you add not only more energy to it but also momentum. Momentum is kind of a step-brother to kinetic energy but it is important (in most cases---those were conventional projectiles are used) for penetration. Even when NON-conventional bullets (Barnes X for example compared to a Remington Core-lockt) are used, a certain amount of momentum has to be had for a projectile to provide a given amount of penetration. The word you were looking for earlier in this thread was momentum. Sectional density has nothing to do with the velocity of a projectile---only it's weight and diameter. B.C. refines it a bit more and takes the shape of it's point into account (along with the weight and diameter).
Bottom-line? You were 100% right IMO when you said that these should be devastating on coyotes! ---- Mike
If you add more velocity to any object, you add not only more energy to it but also momentum. Momentum is kind of a step-brother to kinetic energy but it is important (in most cases---those were conventional projectiles are used) for penetration. Even when NON-conventional bullets (Barnes X for example compared to a Remington Core-lockt) are used, a certain amount of momentum has to be had for a projectile to provide a given amount of penetration. The word you were looking for earlier in this thread was momentum. Sectional density has nothing to do with the velocity of a projectile---only it's weight and diameter. B.C. refines it a bit more and takes the shape of it's point into account (along with the weight and diameter).
Bottom-line? You were 100% right IMO when you said that these should be devastating on coyotes! ---- Mike