how far will a coyotes travel for water

Originally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Jeepdude1987Humans are actually 75-80% water, but animals need water to digest food so they need water.

Well jeep I read my info yrs ago. Out of my Paramedic manual. Manual was authored by Mosby. Which BTW other contributors to that same manual were Doctors & other professionals. How about your info?

BTW, you saying a coyote can not digest food without, "drinking water"? Apparently you don't believe they also recieve water, via eating critters, vegtables, fruit, plants, ect. BUT have to actually "drink" water along with that food in order to digest.

edit; Would seem abit odd. A human can eat & digest food without actually "drinking water". But a coyote can't? Say what!

Well, my info comes from New Mexico State University, not quite basic biology and chemistry, but the info is at most 200 level college courses material.

Due to osmosis which in biology usually has to do with water moving through permeable tissue to equalize solute levels. That is why fruit is a diuretic, and also why you shouldn't drink salt water. Also, the digestion process requires a large amount of water relative to the amount of food being broken down.

Also, I have always been told in the multiple survival and SAR courses I've taken and books I've read do to some chemical reason you couldn't get the water you need to survive from your food, and that digestion takes water so limit what you eat if you don't have a healthy amount of water

I actually thought 70% was a good estimate till a couple years ago or so. Not sure where I first heard it, but I can verify it was in that courses both in the Prof's lecture and in the textbook, and that fairly well convinced me of it.

Look up isotonic, hypertonic, and hypotonic solutions, the process of osmosis, and neutral osmotic pressure. If you don't know what I'm talking about and care to learn. I had thought that a paramedic would have to know such things. I know nurses do because if you hook someone up to an IV bag with a solution that is hypertonic their cells will shrivel up despite having water in their system, and the reverse is true of a hypotonic solution with the possiblility of cells basically exploding do to too much pressure.

Not trying to be a smartaxx, but you asked about it.
 
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Originally Posted By: Jeepdude1987Originally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Jeepdude1987Humans are actually 75-80% water, but animals need water to digest food so they need water.

Well jeep I read my info yrs ago. Out of my Paramedic manual. Manual was authored by Mosby. Which BTW other contributors to that same manual were Doctors & other professionals. How about your info?

BTW, you saying a coyote can not digest food without, "drinking water"? Apparently you don't believe they also recieve water, via eating critters, vegtables, fruit, plants, ect. BUT have to actually "drink" water along with that food in order to digest.

edit; Would seem abit odd. A human can eat & digest food without actually "drinking water". But a coyote can't? Say what!

Well, my info comes from New Mexico State University, not quite basic biology and chemistry, but the info is at most 200 level college courses material.

Due to osmosis which in biology usually has to do with water moving through permeable tissue to equalize solute levels. That is why fruit is a diuretic, and also why you shouldn't drink salt water. Also, the digestion process requires a large amount of water relative to the amount of food being broken down.

Also, I have always been told in the multiple survival and SAR courses I've taken and books I've read do to some chemical reason you couldn't get the water you need to survive from your food, and that digestion takes water so limit what you eat if you don't have a healthy amount of water

I actually thought 70% was a good estimate till a couple years ago or so. Not sure where I first heard it, but I can verify it was in that courses both in the Prof's lecture and in the textbook, and that fairly well convinced me of it.

Look up isotonic, hypertonic, and hypotonic solutions, the process of osmosis, and neutral osmotic pressure. If you don't know what I'm talking about and care to learn. I had thought that a paramedic would have to know such things. I know nurses do because if you hook someone up to an IV bag with a solution that is hypertonic their cells will shrivel up despite having water in their system, and the reverse is true of a hypotonic solution with the possiblility of cells basically exploding do to too much pressure.

Not trying to be a smartaxx, but you asked about it.

Well jeep, there is quite abit I do understand. As I'm not some young pup. I've read & learned plenty in my time. I've also noticed, you like to "put members in their place". You being "young" hardly gives you "mentor status", eh. I also believe you should go to your little corner, as of right now.
 
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Well, you both have valid points. Sort of.

There are to many variables that come into play.

Yes, mammals can get fluids from what they eat. Yes, it
can help with fluid intake and delay the need for water
for some time but not forever. Sooner or later a mammal
needs water.

I think the 2 biggest factors on the above are climate and
what the mammals in that area have adapted to.

As far as needing water for digestion. Should be "needs
fluids" for digestion. If not, no digestion. I can't
remember all the details anymore but if no fluids, doesn't
the stomach start emitting more acids and feeding on it'self ?

Yes, most fruits are diuretics.

Coyotes are probably a whole lot better at finding water
then people are and aren't nearly as picky as where it
comes from.

Sorry, I can't tell you the text books or give you any
references, etc. on this. Been to long and I pretty much
don't care.

Now, both of you go to your rooms until you can play nice
together.
 
Crowpopper: Well, if you follow the cited info on wiki it says the percentage varies depending on how it is measured, and that was wrote by an MD who is a pediatrician and a neurologist from what I read last night.

Personally, it don't really matter to me all that much if I have 80 or 90lbs of water.

I know coyotes need water to live and if not every day than every other, and their prey needs it about everyday. They also can find and use water that we couldn't or wouldn't.
 
Certainly not to get in the middle of this but I've yet to hear of or see a mouse or a ground squirrel or even a rabbit (cotton tail or jack) that will travel 6+ miles to the nearest waterhole, and the wiki cited info was written by a pediatrician, whose patients bodies are made up of 80% water and they will also have a tendency to vary their percentage more than an adult.
 
Well, it says that there are different ways of measuring percentage, it also says different body types and genders have different amounts of water in them. I don't know why babies would have a large variance unless it was due to health issues. They are all pretty much chubby little things, and the fat content is what would be and he implies is the largest factor.
 
Just spent a couple hours on different search engines trying
to find out just how much water a coyote needs and how
often. Pretty much wasted my time.

For you desert dwellers whats a "Coyote Melon" ?

For you college students working on masters and PHD's and
research assistants, try not to use to many 20 dollar
words in your papers. Geez, some of the papers I came
across were pretty much unreadable do to vocabulary.

I also got to wondering what would happen if you took a
coyote from the midwest, east, etc where they always had
abundent water supplies and put that coyote in the desert.
Would it be able to find a water source ?
 
Originally Posted By: RJM AcresHey Jeep. This study was done by you.


He's not the only one that's gone to NMSU. I graduated from there with a B.S. (appropriately named) in Wildlife Science in '86 (*). VW Howard was one of my profs and fellow coffee drinkers and was a coyote hunting son-of-a-gun. I definitely would see what he has to say, but AFAIK he's retired.

If we're gonna start talking about how much water mammals need, don't overlook the mighty kangaroo rat.

(*) M.S. in Biology from Eastern NM Univ in '91. 15 years as a research biologist and then I quit and moved to the family ranch.
 
Coyotes need water, thats a given. How far and how often is up to the coyote.

Now, rabbits and PDs, and Kangaroo rats? They derive their water intake 'mostly' from their food supply. I've yet to find any of these critters making an overt effort to make a water hole every day or couple of days. IF they did? There would be trenches leading to those spots. In fact, the KR never(I know, don't say never or always) sees liquid water or if it does? avoids it.

Just my 2 cts worth on this thread..........................
 
I remember hearing something similar about quail. The story was either California or Arizona spent a ton of money on game guzzlers for the quail, only to find out that quail get all of their water from their food.

Nate
 


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