How much is a pelt worth?
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CalCoyote
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AWS,
I appreciate the wisdom of your words and the tolernace you have with other hunters that do not kill for fur. Yes, you are right. If it is legal in your particular state, what is the problem? I do not kill for fur out here in Calif, but do take satisfaction in the fact that I am helping to control a predator that is currently having a substantial impact on our deer herd. BUT, I TOTALLY respect your heart felt conviction, and your words demonstrate that you respect mine.
With regard the negative posts on this particular thread I have this to say: My big problem with political liberalism is that liberals often have such an intolerant attitude of people that have a different opinion. When I speak with liberals I find them to be such emotional basket cases that they almost always blow their temper and then resort to personal attacks rather than debate issues and facts. Liberals are such angry people/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif. There are other hunting forums that I do NOT belong to because their members are so intolerant and caustic (just like Calif liberals).
Azcoyotehunter, my apologies, you just wanted to know the price of a pelt, not see a UFC heavyweight elimination bout.
Calcoyote
I appreciate the wisdom of your words and the tolernace you have with other hunters that do not kill for fur. Yes, you are right. If it is legal in your particular state, what is the problem? I do not kill for fur out here in Calif, but do take satisfaction in the fact that I am helping to control a predator that is currently having a substantial impact on our deer herd. BUT, I TOTALLY respect your heart felt conviction, and your words demonstrate that you respect mine.
With regard the negative posts on this particular thread I have this to say: My big problem with political liberalism is that liberals often have such an intolerant attitude of people that have a different opinion. When I speak with liberals I find them to be such emotional basket cases that they almost always blow their temper and then resort to personal attacks rather than debate issues and facts. Liberals are such angry people/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif. There are other hunting forums that I do NOT belong to because their members are so intolerant and caustic (just like Calif liberals).
Azcoyotehunter, my apologies, you just wanted to know the price of a pelt, not see a UFC heavyweight elimination bout.
Calcoyote
darrylrogers
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I keep my pelts just for me. I use only parts of the critter. I have only killed 1 bobcat and that one will be stuffed (still waiting for the taxidermist). I have only killed a few foxes and until recently I have found this guy that will stuff at cost because hes a friend that needs practice. So, My next fox I will stuff If it's a good one. Coyotes on the other hand I have killed dozens and never thought much about stuffing until recent as well. So a good big male I will stuff, the rest I will simple peel the back, peel the hide quarters and the tail for tieing flys. After I get 3 good displays the rest I will use what I need to tie flys. In my state its legal to shoot and leave them lay but it's hard not to use at least parts of them. As far as selling. IMO I won't even bother.
azcoyotehunter
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AWS,
Azcoyotehunter, my apologies, you just wanted to know the price of a pelt, not see a UFC heavyweight elimination bout.
No problem, I got the answer I wanted.
Some people just go off on a tangent, it's life and I've learned to accept it.
AWS,
Azcoyotehunter, my apologies, you just wanted to know the price of a pelt, not see a UFC heavyweight elimination bout.
No problem, I got the answer I wanted.
Some people just go off on a tangent, it's life and I've learned to accept it.
Jack Roberts
Moderator - Deceased
There are some screwy laws around also. In New Mexico non resident hunters may not keep the fur of coyotes unless they also have a non resident trapping license, they have to let it lay. Residents may keep fur but not non residents.
Jack
Jack
Dave Allen
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i have something to say before a moderator delete's my comment's it's the usual [beeep]..yeah that's what i said..when guy's start talking season's...what's right..what's wrong...what do you do with a coyote..when's the right time ??..what i belive is everyone think's there right...maybe even myself ??..re-pete is out of line...get a life...
Dave Allen
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wow !! there must be a built in security of some sort..to "omit" swearing...shuck's i was just trying to get one little cus..word in..
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There are some screwy laws around also. In New Mexico non resident hunters may not keep the fur of coyotes unless they also have a non resident trapping license, they have to let it lay. Residents may keep fur but not non residents.
Jack
It's the same where you live Jack. Non residents can't skin coyotes in Nevada, if they intend to sell the fur, unless they buy a non resident license. Last one I bought was $140. I think they have gone up even higher since then? And even with that $140 license, as a non resident, I still wasn't allowed to take bobcats at all. The Nevada game warden that made me aware of the need for the non resident license, found three fresh coyote skins in the back of my truck, which I told him I was going to tan for my own use (true). He told me if I had said I was going to sell them, or if he had found four instead of just three, he'd have considered it conclusive evidence of commercial fur hunting and confiscated my truck. That's about as "screwy" as it gets, if you ask me...
The last few years, I do most of my hunting a lot closer to home, or in Wyoming, so I don't buy the non resident license for NV anymore. So, on the occasions I do make it out there, I just have to leave those coyotes to rot.
- DAA
There are some screwy laws around also. In New Mexico non resident hunters may not keep the fur of coyotes unless they also have a non resident trapping license, they have to let it lay. Residents may keep fur but not non residents.
Jack
It's the same where you live Jack. Non residents can't skin coyotes in Nevada, if they intend to sell the fur, unless they buy a non resident license. Last one I bought was $140. I think they have gone up even higher since then? And even with that $140 license, as a non resident, I still wasn't allowed to take bobcats at all. The Nevada game warden that made me aware of the need for the non resident license, found three fresh coyote skins in the back of my truck, which I told him I was going to tan for my own use (true). He told me if I had said I was going to sell them, or if he had found four instead of just three, he'd have considered it conclusive evidence of commercial fur hunting and confiscated my truck. That's about as "screwy" as it gets, if you ask me...
The last few years, I do most of my hunting a lot closer to home, or in Wyoming, so I don't buy the non resident license for NV anymore. So, on the occasions I do make it out there, I just have to leave those coyotes to rot.
- DAA
Jack Roberts
Moderator - Deceased
I don't think there is any way non Nevada residents can collect bobcat fur in Nevada. Some Utah guy was busted recently with over 100 bobcat pelts and forfieted all plus big fines, even though he had a residence in Nevada. It was not his primary residence.
You have to have a non resident hunting license to hunt coyotes in New Mexico but it is only about $50. To skin them the trapping license is about $300.
It reminds me of fishing in the Maryland Chesapeake Bay for rockfish. There is a minimum size and a maximum size, get caught with one too small or too big and they confiscate everything. Boat, trailer, truck, gear, fish, etc. If they are in a good mood they may let you keep the clothes on your back, until the court date when the fines are levied.
Jack
You have to have a non resident hunting license to hunt coyotes in New Mexico but it is only about $50. To skin them the trapping license is about $300.
It reminds me of fishing in the Maryland Chesapeake Bay for rockfish. There is a minimum size and a maximum size, get caught with one too small or too big and they confiscate everything. Boat, trailer, truck, gear, fish, etc. If they are in a good mood they may let you keep the clothes on your back, until the court date when the fines are levied.
Jack
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Talk to a few older country folks from the east and I think you'll get the opinion that a young "chuck" make some pretty fair eating. I know I'd pass up a "T"bone for a plate of stewed muskrat hindquarters and dumplings. Beaver liver and onions, beaver jerky & sausage, roast coon and snapping turtle were standard fare at my house, plus of course squirel, rabbit, grouse, pheasant and venison.
I didn't see any mention of coyote stew or any other coyote recipe.
Obviously, everyone won't agree on this issue. As I said earlier, coyote hides are vertually worthless in my area (unless you consider $3 for a large prime coyote worth it).
Should I therefore not hunt coyotes? What constitutes "use" and what degree of use makes it acceptable?
Did the buffalo hunters skinning the buffalo and leaving the carcass to rot justify the action? Does "using" the ears to collect a coyote bounty make it justifiable?
Whether you like it or not, hunting dollars is what support almost all wildlife and habitat management in this country, an the dollars that the pursuit of game generates are what makes wildlife a priority with many landowners and even the public.
Where do you draw the line? Does the fact that a fly is nuisance, justify you taking a fly swatter and killing it?
As AWA stated, he respects others rights and opinions even if they vary from his. We all should. I don't see a mod shutting off this topic unless some have problem being respectful of others.
ADC seems to be an acceptable condition for most here, but in Texas at least the state trapper can not sell any furs that are derived from state ADC work. In my area this is mostly beaver control, but they are all dumped.
Talk to a few older country folks from the east and I think you'll get the opinion that a young "chuck" make some pretty fair eating. I know I'd pass up a "T"bone for a plate of stewed muskrat hindquarters and dumplings. Beaver liver and onions, beaver jerky & sausage, roast coon and snapping turtle were standard fare at my house, plus of course squirel, rabbit, grouse, pheasant and venison.
I didn't see any mention of coyote stew or any other coyote recipe.
Obviously, everyone won't agree on this issue. As I said earlier, coyote hides are vertually worthless in my area (unless you consider $3 for a large prime coyote worth it).
Should I therefore not hunt coyotes? What constitutes "use" and what degree of use makes it acceptable?
Did the buffalo hunters skinning the buffalo and leaving the carcass to rot justify the action? Does "using" the ears to collect a coyote bounty make it justifiable?
Whether you like it or not, hunting dollars is what support almost all wildlife and habitat management in this country, an the dollars that the pursuit of game generates are what makes wildlife a priority with many landowners and even the public.
Where do you draw the line? Does the fact that a fly is nuisance, justify you taking a fly swatter and killing it?
As AWA stated, he respects others rights and opinions even if they vary from his. We all should. I don't see a mod shutting off this topic unless some have problem being respectful of others.
ADC seems to be an acceptable condition for most here, but in Texas at least the state trapper can not sell any furs that are derived from state ADC work. In my area this is mostly beaver control, but they are all dumped.
In Iowa, A resident can hunt/kill coyote with a hunting license. If you want to sell them, you have to have a Furharvester License. Red Fox, you have to have a Furharvester, regardless.
If I recall correctly, the highest I ever was paid for a coyote. Was around $20.00 on the whole. A couple more bucks if skinned/stretched.
Otherwise, coyote mostly sell for around $15.00 on a good day. I've left a few lay over the yrs.
Back in the early-mid 70's. Red's went a tad over $120.00 on a large Cherry. Everyone & their brother killed them then. Numbers greatly diminished. Then the coyote pop increased greatly. Still to this day, not many Reds around. I didn't see "1" Red, last Fall/Winter snowfly.
If I recall correctly, the highest I ever was paid for a coyote. Was around $20.00 on the whole. A couple more bucks if skinned/stretched.
Otherwise, coyote mostly sell for around $15.00 on a good day. I've left a few lay over the yrs.
Back in the early-mid 70's. Red's went a tad over $120.00 on a large Cherry. Everyone & their brother killed them then. Numbers greatly diminished. Then the coyote pop increased greatly. Still to this day, not many Reds around. I didn't see "1" Red, last Fall/Winter snowfly.
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yotetrapper23
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Yellowhammer, when was the last time you sold a coyote pelt? I know some trappers from Texas that get a lot more than $3 a pelt??? Maybe might be different in different areas of Texas? I dont know. Just aint never heard of a coyote selling that low unless had a hole blown in the side, was not prime, or had mange.
AWS
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I've tried coyote at a Buckskinner Rendezvou and IDbob's COYOTE HELPER would need some serious seasoning to make it palatable. Bobcat and mountion lion now theres the other white meat.
I'm glad this didn't turn into a who's right battle. I'm learning alot about some state laws that would make me look closer a regs befor I'd hunt, especialy NV as my daughter just moved there and I expect to spend some time there when I retire next winter.
Each part of this country has special circumstances. Texas has very little public land and almost all bird and big game hunting is pay to play (whether you've had to buy the land, lease the land, or pay to play) game is a cash crop, predator hunting is ADC I hope that lasts for you but it looks like preds are turning into a cash crop also.
If you were born or raised in ranch country it is hard to to see coyotes as anyting but trouble.
In the east deer hunting opertunities are falling just as coyote numbers are rising.
Other places are trying to reintroduce antelope and coyotes are putting a heavy burden on the fawn crop.
Since the early 80's fur prices have fallen one of the reasons I moved to WA was the bottom fell out of the construction industry and fur prices fell to the point I couldn't make enough trapping to make up for the loss of a job durring the construction season.
Keeping an open mind is pretty important, h--l I'm married to a bunny hugger and when I make duck fajittas I have to make a second pan of the filling out of those filthy old pen raised store bought chickens. She is pretty tolerant of my forays out to the wilds and does like to target shoot.
AWS
I'm glad this didn't turn into a who's right battle. I'm learning alot about some state laws that would make me look closer a regs befor I'd hunt, especialy NV as my daughter just moved there and I expect to spend some time there when I retire next winter.
Each part of this country has special circumstances. Texas has very little public land and almost all bird and big game hunting is pay to play (whether you've had to buy the land, lease the land, or pay to play) game is a cash crop, predator hunting is ADC I hope that lasts for you but it looks like preds are turning into a cash crop also.
If you were born or raised in ranch country it is hard to to see coyotes as anyting but trouble.
In the east deer hunting opertunities are falling just as coyote numbers are rising.
Other places are trying to reintroduce antelope and coyotes are putting a heavy burden on the fawn crop.
Since the early 80's fur prices have fallen one of the reasons I moved to WA was the bottom fell out of the construction industry and fur prices fell to the point I couldn't make enough trapping to make up for the loss of a job durring the construction season.
Keeping an open mind is pretty important, h--l I'm married to a bunny hugger and when I make duck fajittas I have to make a second pan of the filling out of those filthy old pen raised store bought chickens. She is pretty tolerant of my forays out to the wilds and does like to target shoot.
AWS