hunters using only hounds (no guns)???

baileydr

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I was informed by a land owner, at one of my sets today, that one of his neighbors had a group of guys come out to his place and hunt coyotes with dogs only (they don't use guns). Apperently, they sit at the truck drinking beer while there hounds chase down the coyotes and kill them. Has anyone else heard of this type of "hunting"? It appears that they let the dogs out on the property that they had permission on and let them run the whole section, including at least 3 or 4 of my sets. I think i'll have to hunt elsewhere for a while to let things settle down.
 
Yeah I have heard of it. I respect that type and all types of hunting. It would be a little frustrating to have that happen on ground I had permission. I dont think they sit in the truck and drink beer. They have to keep track of the dogs. Visit the hound forum and you might learn alot /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif.
 
I've hunted coyotes to long not to show a little respect to the animal we all love to hunt.
Running down coyotes with dogs and letting the dogs tear it apart is not my idea of hunting.
I would not call people who do that houndsman. I believe houndsman have a lot more class then that.
This is only my opinion and I believe it to be the right opinion.
 
To each there own i guess.. We have them up north but they don't come down my way and if they did there dogs won't make it home with them.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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I've hunted coyotes to long not to show a little respect to the animal we all love to hunt.
Running down coyotes with dogs and letting the dogs tear it apart is not my idea of hunting.
I would not call people who do that houndsman. I believe houndsman have a lot more class then that.
This is only my opinion and I believe it to be the right opinion.



Not here to debate but I would be willing to argue that hound hunting is probably the oldest form of hunting out there, and IMHO theres nothing more sporting than hunting with a pack of hounds./ Again to each their own. Just my opinion
 
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I've hunted coyotes to long not to show a little respect to the animal we all love to hunt.
Running down coyotes with dogs and letting the dogs tear it apart is not my idea of hunting.
I would not call people who do that houndsman. I believe houndsman have a lot more class then that.
This is only my opinion and I believe it to be the right opinion.



Not here to debate but I would be willing to argue that hound hunting is probably the oldest form of hunting out there, and IMHO theres nothing more sporting than hunting with a pack of hounds./ Again to each their own. Just my opinion



Agreed...
 
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Yeah I have heard of it. I respect that type and all types of hunting. It would be a little frustrating to have that happen on ground I had permission. I dont think they sit in the truck and drink beer. They have to keep track of the dogs. Visit the hound forum and you might learn alot /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif.



I looked at the hound forum and still do not quite understand the sport in it. I have hunted coon with dogs for a long time, but that is for the fur. I know alot of people hunt coyote, fox, bear and alot of other animals with dogs, but as far as I know that is also either for the fur or meat. As others have said "to each thier own". I would not be as upset about it if they had not run thier dogs through everyone elses property. As for them sitting in thier truck drinking beer, the one land owner that I talked to said he seen them sitting at the local store doing just that while they were waiting for a couple of thier dogs that had run into an 2 mile square industrial section of property that no one would dare to go onto (it is fenced in and has security personel that patrol regularly). Either way, them drinking beer is not the issue at all, I guess i just do not understand the type of hunting they are doing. Even though the land owners that I have permission to hunt from, do not like the coyotes around (which is why they let me hunt there), they are also upset about what was done.
 
would this mean that your against falconry(sp)? it's the same thing, just using a different critter to kill a different critter. personally i don't have a problem with it. i might consider it a little less hunting and more letting mother nature do what it does, and mother nature is NOT kind and gentle.
 
I had never heard of this type of hunting before, and was kind of suppriesed by it. I guess it could be pretty exiting to watch your dog chase down and kill a coyote, but I don't understand how you can cast your dogs on a small piece of land (40 or 80 acres) and expect them to stay on where you have permission to hunt. This would be like someone comming in and doing a deer drive on your hunting spot without permission. Most people would not be ok with that. Woulden't you require a large amount of property to hunt this way? I may have come off wrong above, but I am not against any type of hunting. This one is new to me and has screwed up a few good spots that I had high hopes for. Any way, I have a little clearer picture of it now(maybe??), and I will figure out some new (hopefully even better) hunting spots.
 
Ta 17rem. If you want to come on this site and threaten "dogs", you are in the wrong place. My dogs have bled for me and I will for them.I'll make it real clear for you, If I caught anyone killing one of my dogs they would "have [beeep] to pay".
As for dogs "killing yotes?" what is wrong with that?
I don't know if the guys where drinking beer or not, but the facts are the dogs were out chasing yotes and when they catch they kill.Sounds like a good system to me. They where not "trespassing" So what are you whining about? I run a bunch of dogs on all kinds of game,My dogs can't read signs, and get on "private ground" some times. Not my fault or theirs, they just do what they do.Have some respect for the guys here that work very hard to have good dogs.
 
rileysdad
I dont under stand your meaning of your post!!
Yes i hunt with hounds and only hounds!!
I also hunt with Terriers and only terriers!! I have been on this topic here a few times already!!
TA17rem
You dont have a clue on the laws for shooting a dog just to shoot one cause its on your land!!
That dog better be threating you or your live stock!!
You shoot one of my hounds just to shoot it and I can promise that you wont fare very well at the end one way or another!!
This is not a threat its a promise!!!
The drinking beer sure is not right but just cause one dumb [beeep] dont make the rest of us all bad!!
I have lived here most of my life and know 95% of the land owners!! I know where i can run and where not to!!
If my hounds are heading for unwanted land i try very hard to turn the game before they get there!! Some times it dont happen and i stay away from crossing to get the hounds back on good land as soon as i can!!
I make every effort to keeps things right!!
Before you start making threats you need all the facts!!!

Vargy
 
Wow! Diden't mean to get everyone wound up. I had just never heard of this type of hunting before. The fact that I do not fully understand it does not mean that I am against it or cannot accept it. I am sure that most of the guys doing this type of hunting do make every effort to "keep things right". Of course the dogs are going to go where the yote goes, thats what they do. I would not blame the dogs for this, but if they are running most of the time on private property - I would think that the hunter should spend a little time getting permission from others in the area. Unless.... maybe thier dogs can circle the yote like a rabbit.lol.

Any way, nothin I can do about it now - soooooo there is no since in me wearing out my keyboard about it.

Thanks for filling me in on hunting with hounds and how things are done.

P.S. I re-read all of my posts on this subject multiple times and I have not made any threats to anyone or thier hounds, so I will assume those comments were aimed elsewhere???
 
Most houndsmen, including myself, bristle at the concept of a houndsman sitting in his truck drinking beer while their dogs do all the work, because that is not the way it is for most of us. That is a straw man argument and a blatant mischaractorization of who we are and the sport that we love. Most houndsmen are dedicated to their craft and have too much at risk to be drinking while their dogs are in the field.

I hope you understand baileydr, why so many of us took offense at your intitial post.
 
TA17rem, Who's the bad dude here?? You would shoot a poor dog just doing it's job??? It's not the dogs fault, it's the owners. Talk about poor sportsmanship, man you have it all....you are worse than the beer drinking guys.
 
Once again, the idea of "I don't agree, so it's wrong" comes up. Listen, it's legal, so, it's ethical, as long as it isn't hurting anyone. It may not fit your ethics, but it is not your place to say it's wrong, just don't get involved if you don't like it. Just because it isn't your cup of tea, doesn't mean it is bad. These guys are very effective at controlling pest/varmint/predator populations, so why not let them?
 
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rileysdad
I dont under stand your meaning of your post!!
Yes i hunt with hounds and only hounds!!
I also hunt with Terriers and only terriers!! I have been on this topic here a few times already!!
TA17rem
You dont have a clue on the laws for shooting a dog just to shoot one cause its on your land!!
That dog better be threating you or your live stock!!
You shoot one of my hounds just to shoot it and I can promise that you wont fare very well at the end one way or another!!
This is not a threat its a promise!!!
The drinking beer sure is not right but just cause one dumb [beeep] dont make the rest of us all bad!!
I have lived here most of my life and know 95% of the land owners!! I know where i can run and where not to!!
If my hounds are heading for unwanted land i try very hard to turn the game before they get there!! Some times it dont happen and i stay away from crossing to get the hounds back on good land as soon as i can!!
I make every effort to keeps things right!!
Before you start making threats you need all the facts!!!

Vargy


vargy if you will go back and read my post i was just simply asking bailey if that was what he was talking about.i'm not bashing your was of doing things.i gave no opinion one way or the other.everyone has there way of doing things.
 
Baileydr there are a lot of hound hunters in my area I also hunt whith a few of them from time to time. I am a predator caller mainley but it is fun to go out and listen to the hounds now and then. Most of the hound hunters shoot the coyotes whith a shotgun but their is times when the dogs will get them before the gunners do. It sounds like to me that u are upset that the hounds killed the yotes that u wanted to call in. That should not stop u from calling the area anyways. I have called areas the day after the hounds men been through and called in and killed yotes more than once.

The dogs got great noses and will pick up the coyote scent if they run across it. But there are times when they go through a area and the yote is not bedded along the ditch, woods etc.. and may be layed up in a dip in the feild and the hounds never got it up.

I hunt one county that I know that 2 differnt houndsmen and a trapper take over 300 coyotes every year and I still call and kill coyotes in that county. I also hunt two other counties that there is a large amount of yotes killed by hound hunters and still manage to call them in myself.
 
Thanks guys, as I said above I am not totally against it. I may have had a somewhat bad impression of it when I posted the first few here, but these particular guys did not give me a very good example of thier way of hunting. I did not mean to come off with a "I don't agree, so it's wrong" attitude, although I can see where you may have got that impression. Most of the guys that I have talked to use guns to shoot the coyotes on the run. This sounds like a good time to me, but have not had the chance to do it. I think it is a little harder to do in my area due to most of the property being broke up into smaller parcels. I did not know that people hunted only with dogs (no guns) as these guys do. If this is the way they want to hunt them, than thats thier right. I NEVER SAID THAT IT WASN'T!. Who knows I may love it if I ever get a chance to do it. But (here is the but), I do not have to agree with thier tactics of running through everyone elses property because they feel they can. I looks and sounds to me that this was these guys intentions when they came to the area. I could be wrong (has happened once before- lol)and maybe these guys were not planning on that at all, although its clearly bound to happen on the property that they were hunting on.

Lawson - thanks for your input and comments, I will keep trying in the area, and maybe it will come back around for me.
 


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