I need a load.
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CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: bigdog1I have heard of some using LIL GUN to load for the 17 Fireball.
However, No one lists what load they use or start with.
Please Help
JD
Lil Gun is not suitable for the 17 FireBall... it is a heavy pistol and very small rifle (22 Hornet)
powder.
However, No one lists what load they use or start with.
Please Help
JD
Lil Gun is not suitable for the 17 FireBall... it is a heavy pistol and very small rifle (22 Hornet)
powder.
EJ Reichenbach
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A guy I used to shoot dogs with used little gun in his 17FB seemed to work good.
Chupathingy
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I once solved my problems with a computer with a tire iron.
Chupa
Chupa
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: EJ ReichenbachA guy I used to shoot dogs with used little gun in his 17FB seemed to work good.
Somewhere I have loading data for Bulls Eye powder in a 243 Winchester... it was something like 12 grains and an 85gr bullet...
... it just proves that there are a lot of stupid people loading ammo.
Why would you even want to load Lil Gun in a 17 FireBall... too much time on your hands, and nothing else to do?
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Somewhere I have loading data for Bulls Eye powder in a 243 Winchester... it was something like 12 grains and an 85gr bullet...
... it just proves that there are a lot of stupid people loading ammo.
Why would you even want to load Lil Gun in a 17 FireBall... too much time on your hands, and nothing else to do?
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Catshooter, LIL GUN is magic in the 221 Fireball, the 17 FB is the same case. Why would it not work as well?
I may be stupid, but I have probably been loading longer than you have been alive. I asked a valid question and hoped to get an intelligent answer.
Thank you very much.
JD
I may be stupid, but I have probably been loading longer than you have been alive. I asked a valid question and hoped to get an intelligent answer.
Thank you very much.
JD
venatic
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While I do agree that Lil Gun is a good powder for the .221 FB the smaller bore of the 17FB calls for a slower burning powder to be most efficient. Its similar to the difference in powders for the .223 vs. a 17 Remington with the smaller bore needing slower burning powders to get top velocities. While I do not consider myself an expert on either the .221 or the 17FB I have been loading for both for about 7 years or so and to get good speeds from the 17FB you need something slower than Lil Gun.
I like XTerminator myself but have also had great results with H4198 and H322 in the 17FB.
I like XTerminator myself but have also had great results with H4198 and H322 in the 17FB.
Darkker
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Originally Posted By: bigdog1Catshooter, LIL GUN is magic in the 221 Fireball, the 17 FB is the same case. Why would it not work as well?
JD
Because the case is the same, doesn't mean anything else is the same.
Win 748 is fantastic in the 308, But just barely works(horribly low vels & groups) when used in the 243.
JD
Because the case is the same, doesn't mean anything else is the same.
Win 748 is fantastic in the 308, But just barely works(horribly low vels & groups) when used in the 243.
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: bigdog1Catshooter, LIL GUN is magic in the 221 Fireball, the 17 FB is the same case. Why would it not work as well?
I may be stupid, but I have probably been loading longer than you have been alive. I asked a valid question and hoped to get an intelligent answer.
Thank you very much.
JD
First - I guarantee you have not been loading longer than I have been alive. You can ask Moses!
Second - I guarantee that you, and everyone you know, altogether, has not loaded as many rounds, or as many different calibers as I have.
Third - you got an intelligent answer... "Lil Gun is not suitable for the 17 FireBall... it is a heavy pistol and very small rifle (22 Hornet) powder.".
Forth - if you have so much loading experience, then you should know the answer to it without asking.
IMR 4198 is a great powder for the 458 Winchester Magnum...
... it really sucks for the 300 Winchester Magnum. It sucks so badd that it would be dangerous to even try it.
The reason has to do with the case volume and bore size - for a given case volume, as you reduce the bore size, you MUST go to slower powders.
This is handloading 101 (for beginners). If you have so much experience, how come you don't understand the basic speed relationships between different powders???
Powders that are suitable for the 17 FireBall are in the middle burning rates - like 8208, BenchMark, 4895, H-332 (on the fast side).
But with all the many years of handloading experence you have, you knew that already, didn't you.???
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I may be stupid, but I have probably been loading longer than you have been alive. I asked a valid question and hoped to get an intelligent answer.
Thank you very much.
JD
First - I guarantee you have not been loading longer than I have been alive. You can ask Moses!
Second - I guarantee that you, and everyone you know, altogether, has not loaded as many rounds, or as many different calibers as I have.
Third - you got an intelligent answer... "Lil Gun is not suitable for the 17 FireBall... it is a heavy pistol and very small rifle (22 Hornet) powder.".
Forth - if you have so much loading experience, then you should know the answer to it without asking.
IMR 4198 is a great powder for the 458 Winchester Magnum...
... it really sucks for the 300 Winchester Magnum. It sucks so badd that it would be dangerous to even try it.
The reason has to do with the case volume and bore size - for a given case volume, as you reduce the bore size, you MUST go to slower powders.
This is handloading 101 (for beginners). If you have so much experience, how come you don't understand the basic speed relationships between different powders???
Powders that are suitable for the 17 FireBall are in the middle burning rates - like 8208, BenchMark, 4895, H-332 (on the fast side).
But with all the many years of handloading experence you have, you knew that already, didn't you.???
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chucknbach
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So basically you haven't tried it? So you don't know? Your theorizing, making assumptions, or just plain guessing.
Cool, now that we got that figured out.
Cool, now that we got that figured out.
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: chucknbachSo basically you haven't tried it? So you don't know? Your theorizing, making assumptions, or just plain guessing.
Cool, now that we got that figured out.
Yeah, it's cool that you have that figured out.
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Cool, now that we got that figured out.
Yeah, it's cool that you have that figured out.
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chucknbach
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Originally Posted By: EJ ReichenbachA guy I used to shoot dogs with used little gun in his 17FB seemed to work good.
I don't think some of these guys are interested in actual experience.
I don't think some of these guys are interested in actual experience.
Chupathingy
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Originally Posted By: chucknbachOriginally Posted By: EJ ReichenbachA guy I used to shoot dogs with used little gun in his 17FB seemed to work good.
I don't think some of these guys are interested in actual experience.
So you've tried it? What was your experience with it?
Chupa
I don't think some of these guys are interested in actual experience.
So you've tried it? What was your experience with it?
Chupa
RiverRider
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Please note that this is NOT published load data. This is only useful for making comparisons between different propeelants for the application. It has been generated using QuickLOAD which plugs default values into several fields, and some of these values are critical.
Please also note that the bullet used for these calculations was the 20-grain V-Max.
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Please also note that the bullet used for these calculations was the 20-grain V-Max.
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Cartridge : .17 Rem Fireball
Bullet : .172, 20, Hornady V-MAX 21710
Useable Case Capaci: 19.354 grain H2O = 1.257 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.800 inch = 45.72 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55114 psi, or 380 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Winchester 296 77.4 14.8 0.96 4217 100.0 55114 7176 0.822 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x 104.2 17.5 1.14 4213 99.0 55114 7582 0.823 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 106.5 18.5 1.20 4210 96.4 55114 7723 0.811 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748 105.3 20.2 1.31 4199 93.1 55114 7934 0.816 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 200 94.8 17.5 1.13 4193 99.4 55114 7465 0.837 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator 97.9 18.7 1.21 4186 96.3 55114 7692 0.821 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4198 102.9 16.5 1.07 4181 99.5 55114 7119 0.805 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 100.2 19.5 1.26 4181 95.4 55114 7733 0.819 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 108.0 21.0 1.36 4179 91.9 55114 7969 0.823 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 5744 87.2 14.5 0.94 4177 99.3 55114 7240 0.803 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 110.0 19.6 1.27 4173 91.0 55101 7900 0.825 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2015 105.9 18.3 1.18 4169 98.4 55114 7418 0.830 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 103.9 19.8 1.29 4153 92.2 55114 7722 0.822 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 105.8 19.0 1.23 4153 92.1 55114 7687 0.820 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder- 7 97.1 16.8 1.09 4144 99.2 55114 7136 0.826 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4227 93.2 15.2 0.99 4142 100.0 55114 6730 0.807 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12 105.6 19.2 1.24 4141 96.5 55114 7412 0.820 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N120 101.0 16.5 1.07 4137 100.0 55114 6597 0.819 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR 107.9 19.3 1.25 4132 92.0 55114 7574 0.823 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 106.7 19.5 1.26 4130 92.1 55114 7664 0.836 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 110.0 19.3 1.25 4128 94.8 52708 7672 0.838 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 86.6 16.6 1.08 4127 97.3 55114 7177 0.816 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 103.9 19.9 1.29 4127 93.4 55114 7566 0.838 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 110.0 20.2 1.31 4120 93.6 51643 7774 0.849 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 106.3 17.7 1.15 4118 98.8 55114 7066 0.825 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227 92.3 15.1 0.98 4117 99.9 55114 6685 0.807 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200 97.2 17.6 1.14 4115 94.2 55114 7319 0.820 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H110 78.6 15.0 0.97 4113 100.0 55114 6546 0.828 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 101.8 19.5 1.26 4112 93.2 55114 7439 0.834 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 77.6 14.4 0.93 4105 100.0 55114 6274 0.828 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4198 98.4 16.5 1.07 4094 96.0 55114 6999 0.814 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Benchmark 106.1 18.6 1.21 4083 92.9 55114 7275 0.827 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant 2400 74.3 12.6 0.82 4068 100.0 55114 6002 0.810 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 110.0 18.3 1.19 4057 95.0 45782 7814 0.876
IMR 4895 110.0 19.6 1.27 4048 88.0 48833 7801 0.865 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 88.7 13.4 0.87 4044 100.0 55114 5894 0.820 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4100 75.7 13.9 0.90 4028 100.0 55114 5903 0.819 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 110.0 19.8 1.29 4024 93.6 49350 7503 0.863 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 72.8 13.3 0.86 4022 100.0 55114 5822 0.821 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N133 110.0 18.0 1.16 4018 97.2 50629 6949 0.849 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 110.0 19.2 1.25 4008 94.3 49256 7257 0.861 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 110.0 19.6 1.27 3992 86.5 47887 7582 0.875 ! Near Maximum !Thanks for the reply River Rider, This is the first time I have seen anything on paper. That is exactly what I wanted to know. and the reason why..
OH< and Catshooter, I have been loading for 53 years, for over 30 different calibers, and 4 different shotgun gauges, I guess that pales by comparison to your experience, but I still think my question was valid.
JD
OH< and Catshooter, I have been loading for 53 years, for over 30 different calibers, and 4 different shotgun gauges, I guess that pales by comparison to your experience, but I still think my question was valid.
JD
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RiverRider
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Sure thing, bigdog. If you care to see some more specific data, PM me. Let me know what bullet you're using, case capacity in grains, OAL, barrel length, and any powders you have interest in trying. With that much information I can generate some useful stuff for you. I wouldn't treat it as I might treat published data but it beats the heck out of the SWAG method. Even with published data we should ALL know we're really out there on our own anyway.
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: bigdog1Thanks for the reply River Rider, This is the first time I have seen anything on paper. That is exactly what I wanted to know. and the reason why..
OH< and Catshooter, I have been loading for 53 years, for over 30 different calibers, and 4 different shotgun gauges, I guess that pales by comparison to your experience, but I still think my question was valid.
JD
Yes, it pales!!
And my answer was valid.
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OH< and Catshooter, I have been loading for 53 years, for over 30 different calibers, and 4 different shotgun gauges, I guess that pales by comparison to your experience, but I still think my question was valid.
JD
Yes, it pales!!
And my answer was valid.
.
Centurion
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Wow, there is a lot of science in this reloading business! I'll have to just try some loads one of you with years of experimenting have already established when I start loading for my AR. All the figures are making my head spin. It looks like it took you a lot of time and expense to find your favorite loads.
AirBoatDriver
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Originally Posted By: bigdog1Cat shooter,
There is a handy little button on your profile that says "IGNORE THIS USER" I just energized that lil puppy.
See ya later, OR NOT>
JD
I'm sure it breaks his heart.
There is a handy little button on your profile that says "IGNORE THIS USER" I just energized that lil puppy.
See ya later, OR NOT>
JD
I'm sure it breaks his heart.