dogcatcher223
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I want one of these guns. Wondering if they are worth a crap? Might be fun to shoot and add to the collection. Price is $295. is that ok?
Input on the CETME 308's?
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Phylogenesis
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For the price you can't go wrong. I think they are among the best of the clones, but don't buy it expecting the real thing. No great wiz on accuracy, but a true blast to shoot.
Enjoy.
Enjoy.
Jerry White
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Cetmes are very cool. I love that old aged wood.
They have quite a bit more problems than others in it's family.( The rollers I think )
There is a sweet alternative to the cetmes though. Imbel FAL, 100 reliable, accurate enough to hit a milk jug off-hand at 250 yds multiple times, and fairly cheap. You can get century Arms FALs in several configurations.Cheap arround(400 bones)
Or build you a rifle you have total confidence in for arround $500-$600.
Theres a strange sense of pride when you build a rifle that was stored in a warehouse 30 years ago. Cut in half and then rebuilt. Easy to do actually. I built my first one in an hour on my lap with a flat head screwdriver and a crescent wrench. Awesome,heavy duty and accurate.
If I were to ever need a gun,for life or death, all others fail in comparison.IMHO
Different ammos are the ticket with alot of the 308 autos. Just so happens I got my best groups from an old no longer available type. Oh well, some are real close.
jerryboy
They have quite a bit more problems than others in it's family.( The rollers I think )
There is a sweet alternative to the cetmes though. Imbel FAL, 100 reliable, accurate enough to hit a milk jug off-hand at 250 yds multiple times, and fairly cheap. You can get century Arms FALs in several configurations.Cheap arround(400 bones)
Or build you a rifle you have total confidence in for arround $500-$600.
Theres a strange sense of pride when you build a rifle that was stored in a warehouse 30 years ago. Cut in half and then rebuilt. Easy to do actually. I built my first one in an hour on my lap with a flat head screwdriver and a crescent wrench. Awesome,heavy duty and accurate.
If I were to ever need a gun,for life or death, all others fail in comparison.IMHO
Different ammos are the ticket with alot of the 308 autos. Just so happens I got my best groups from an old no longer available type. Oh well, some are real close.
jerryboy
dogcatcher223
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what country used the CETME 308's? I only want one cause they are cheap and cool. If i want to spend the cash i would just get an FNFAL or a AR. Thanks for the input.
Jerry White
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Wow I just found a excellent article on them. Cetme article
Cetme site
The Spanish CETME assault rifle was developed by german Mauser engineers back in the early 1940s. It resembles a Heckler and Koch battle rifle called the HK G3, and also resembles HKs civilian version called the HK 91. There is good reason as to why it resembles these rifles. The German engineers went on to develop the CETME assault rifle into the famous HK G3, and later on into the HK 91. The g3, and the HK 91 were later models of the CETME, and the G3 rifles had to retain the name CETME stamped on there rifles up until 1966.
The CETME rifles are probably the reason that HK is in business to this date because without the success of Heckler and Kochs G3, you probably wouldnt have ever heard of HK. These are regarded as some of the best weapons ever!
Recently an American company named Century Arms International has released an American made version with original CETME parts.
This is a website designed to teach you a little about the history of the CETME, and also how to work on your rifle up to the armorers level. It will always be a work in progress, and i dont feel that it will ever be complete! So, sit back, relax, and i hope that you enjoy my webpages about this SUPERB battle rifle.
Cetme site
The Spanish CETME assault rifle was developed by german Mauser engineers back in the early 1940s. It resembles a Heckler and Koch battle rifle called the HK G3, and also resembles HKs civilian version called the HK 91. There is good reason as to why it resembles these rifles. The German engineers went on to develop the CETME assault rifle into the famous HK G3, and later on into the HK 91. The g3, and the HK 91 were later models of the CETME, and the G3 rifles had to retain the name CETME stamped on there rifles up until 1966.
The CETME rifles are probably the reason that HK is in business to this date because without the success of Heckler and Kochs G3, you probably wouldnt have ever heard of HK. These are regarded as some of the best weapons ever!
Recently an American company named Century Arms International has released an American made version with original CETME parts.
This is a website designed to teach you a little about the history of the CETME, and also how to work on your rifle up to the armorers level. It will always be a work in progress, and i dont feel that it will ever be complete! So, sit back, relax, and i hope that you enjoy my webpages about this SUPERB battle rifle.
dogcatcher223
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OK, question, I can get a CETME 308 for about the same price as an AK47 Romanian model. I already have an SKS, what would you get?
Jerry White
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Cetme /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Jerry White
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Dude, AIM surplus is about the best prices I have found. They are fast and will send you a sweet "Battle rifle in a box" LOL
I dont think you can go wrong with a good cetme. AIM surp Cetme jerryboy
I dont think you can go wrong with a good cetme. AIM surp Cetme jerryboy
Jerry White
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Whoa, look what I just found! Hungarian AMD-65
The AMD-65 was first introduced as a short barreled weapon designed for use by tank crews. Since then it has been employed by Special Forces and Police around the world. The AMD-65 is widely popular with special forces groups for its reliability and its compact design. These Rifles were assembled in the US to allow use of High Capacity magazines. Refinished New condition. Does not include magazine.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif God I hate this addiction!
Price: $599.95
The AMD-65 was first introduced as a short barreled weapon designed for use by tank crews. Since then it has been employed by Special Forces and Police around the world. The AMD-65 is widely popular with special forces groups for its reliability and its compact design. These Rifles were assembled in the US to allow use of High Capacity magazines. Refinished New condition. Does not include magazine.
Price: $599.95
dogcatcher223
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Thanks, i will check them out.
dogcatcher223
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I just got a SOG International catalog in the mail today.
Ak= $279
CETME= $295
SKS= $120
I would think about an AR15 if they weren't so pricey and confusing to know what parts go with what. I would like to build an AR if i got one.
Ak= $279
CETME= $295
SKS= $120
I would think about an AR15 if they weren't so pricey and confusing to know what parts go with what. I would like to build an AR if i got one.
Jerry White
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Well would yo want a SS upper bull bbl tack driver, or a very accurate military style?
jerryboy
jerryboy
dogcatcher223
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Not sure, i like the flat tops, not sure if i care about accuracy that much. If i want a real accurate gun i will grab my bolt actions. I just don't know much about different AR's like A2 vs 3 or 4. Don't know squat about the different brands of uppers and lowers. Don't know if brand A upper will tie into brand B. Etc...
Jerry White
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Most any upper and lower will mate. Only colts have different sized pins and I wouldn't think you would want a overpriced (pay by brand) anyways.
JnT distributing has a cool site with pics of uppers and kits with all the different configurations available. One you tool arround with one, break it open,and the bolt/carrier slide out in your hand. It becomes alot simpler.
When I started messing with ARs, they were in the 900-1100 range for any given configuration. Now they seem to be in the 700 range.600 if you shop arround and push 2 pins in yourself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Tough decision between a cetme and a AR, I wouldnt wanna be you LOL, mainly because I think you will eventually get both LOL Good luck, jerryboy
JnT distributing has a cool site with pics of uppers and kits with all the different configurations available. One you tool arround with one, break it open,and the bolt/carrier slide out in your hand. It becomes alot simpler.
When I started messing with ARs, they were in the 900-1100 range for any given configuration. Now they seem to be in the 700 range.600 if you shop arround and push 2 pins in yourself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Tough decision between a cetme and a AR, I wouldnt wanna be you LOL, mainly because I think you will eventually get both LOL Good luck, jerryboy
DaisyCutter
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BEWARE THE CENTURY ARMS FAL L1A1. I asked the question on www.falfiles.com and those guys are not impressed w/ it. In fact they said it stunk. I held one and it had a badly bent barrel... For $499. All the cheap Cetme's G3's and FAL's Iv'e held were junk.
In order to get a reliable FAL you need to get one that costs $700 plus. An GOOD imbel can be had at 2 shops in AZ for $800-$900.
I also had the urge for a semi-auto .308. The best bang for the buck I could find was a VEPR .308. (Do a yahoo/google on VEPR). It's a Klashnikov rifle with a heavy duty SAR (squad automatic rifle) receiver. Very tough and reliable for $600. The downside is the 10 round mags.
In order to get a reliable FAL you need to get one that costs $700 plus. An GOOD imbel can be had at 2 shops in AZ for $800-$900.
I also had the urge for a semi-auto .308. The best bang for the buck I could find was a VEPR .308. (Do a yahoo/google on VEPR). It's a Klashnikov rifle with a heavy duty SAR (squad automatic rifle) receiver. Very tough and reliable for $600. The downside is the 10 round mags.
Jerry White
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Milled reciever or sheet metal? jerryboy
DaisyCutter
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VEPR's have a stamped receiver that is TWICE as thick as a standard AK-47. The receiver is called a RPK and it is also used on the SAR (squad automatic rifle) fully automatic rifles. Plus the VEPR RPK receivers even have additional reinforcement. Plus a chrome lined barrel. Very tough.
You can view the lineup at www.robarm.com Some of their firearms are beautiful. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I don't know if I want one of these of if I should hold out for a M-1A.
The low end FAL's and G3's felt really junky to me. I couldn't justify $500 for a POS. I would however, more likely pay $290 for a Cetme clunker than $500 for a FAL/G3 clunker. The barrel on the FAL I held at "Arizona Sportsman" (Gun Shop) was bent to the right at least 5-6 degrees, and the Cheapo American stock on the G3 I held didn't fit well at all. I was disgusted. I didn't bother to hold the Cetme. Maybe at half the price it was the real jewel of the three.
I did an enormous amount of research and this is my point of view.
You can view the lineup at www.robarm.com Some of their firearms are beautiful. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I don't know if I want one of these of if I should hold out for a M-1A.
The low end FAL's and G3's felt really junky to me. I couldn't justify $500 for a POS. I would however, more likely pay $290 for a Cetme clunker than $500 for a FAL/G3 clunker. The barrel on the FAL I held at "Arizona Sportsman" (Gun Shop) was bent to the right at least 5-6 degrees, and the Cheapo American stock on the G3 I held didn't fit well at all. I was disgusted. I didn't bother to hold the Cetme. Maybe at half the price it was the real jewel of the three.
I did an enormous amount of research and this is my point of view.
Jerry White
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What kind of gunshop would sell a gun with a bent bbl?
I like each weapon for what they were designed for. Some were designed to be tougher.Some were designed to be broken over a tree or rock at the first sign of malfunction and another grabbed from a crate of 10 LOL.
I have shot Aks till they fell apart in my hands. I have also shot cheaper versions and they are still going strong. I have a pre-ban Maadi Ak that was one of the first semi auto Aks in the original Ak design. It's value is outrageious in the AK collectors realm,yet still the same rifle I paid $200 new for some years ago. When put beside any newer AK, there is no comparison in looks,feel,accuracy and quality of parts.And I still dont consider it a rifle designed for longetivity. I believe accuracy,reliability and longetivity,are 3 crucial elements to a rifle that gains peoples respect. The AK design is what has gained it the reputation it has in the world.
Just my 02, jerryboy
I like each weapon for what they were designed for. Some were designed to be tougher.Some were designed to be broken over a tree or rock at the first sign of malfunction and another grabbed from a crate of 10 LOL.
I have shot Aks till they fell apart in my hands. I have also shot cheaper versions and they are still going strong. I have a pre-ban Maadi Ak that was one of the first semi auto Aks in the original Ak design. It's value is outrageious in the AK collectors realm,yet still the same rifle I paid $200 new for some years ago. When put beside any newer AK, there is no comparison in looks,feel,accuracy and quality of parts.And I still dont consider it a rifle designed for longetivity. I believe accuracy,reliability and longetivity,are 3 crucial elements to a rifle that gains peoples respect. The AK design is what has gained it the reputation it has in the world.
Just my 02, jerryboy
Daisycutter you aren't giving the Fal and Cetme's a fair chance. You obviously run into a dog of a fal. But, in all fairness the Fal's were generally very well designed and built. The fact that over 90 militaries have used it should attest to that fact. I wouldn't say that the Century L1A1's are junk I have shot a couple and they ran great out of the box. I don't know much about the CETME's but, I have seen many of them and lots of them looked rough. I haven't heard of any of them having problems though. I don't mean to flame you but, if your going to badmouth a particular rifle you should do it from first hand knowledge.
DaisyCutter
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BIGGUN-
I guess having seen it for myself doesn’t qualify as first hand knowledge. I tell you what, how about I purchase said rifle and calculate:
TangentInverse [(the difference of POA and POI) / (distance from rifle to target)]
Then I would be able to tell you the EXACT amount (in degrees or radians) that the barrel is bent. Then would YOU buy that rifle from me?
DogCatcher223-
Here is a link to a thread from someone who just recently bought one of the Century Arms Cetmes. He is wondering if he can/should return it. You be the judge.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67829
I hope I’m still entitled to my opinion in this forum.
DC
I guess having seen it for myself doesn’t qualify as first hand knowledge. I tell you what, how about I purchase said rifle and calculate:
TangentInverse [(the difference of POA and POI) / (distance from rifle to target)]
Then I would be able to tell you the EXACT amount (in degrees or radians) that the barrel is bent. Then would YOU buy that rifle from me?
DogCatcher223-
Here is a link to a thread from someone who just recently bought one of the Century Arms Cetmes. He is wondering if he can/should return it. You be the judge.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67829
I hope I’m still entitled to my opinion in this forum.
DC