Iranian Uprising

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Iran with nuclear weapons and long range ballistic missiles would have turned into a complete disaster for Israel, the entire middle east, Europe, and eventually the US. IMO this needed to be done sooner than later, and I'm glad someone finally had the guts to address the problem with Iran and its proxies, other than trying to appease them.
Trump may not be perfect, but like it or not he has brought to the table a lot of things that I agree with 100% that both Democrats and Republicans should also be onboard with.
I voted for Trump on policies that candidate Trump ran on and will vote for anyone with similar policies.
Lets go to another big problem, 70-100,000 fentanyl related deaths in the US every year, over a 10 yr. period that's 700,000 to 1,000,000 people killed by just that one drug, that's a lot more people than all recent US war casualties, maybe time to take on that problem head on also and not just blow up a few drug boats.
 
One thing will always be certain, dems will talk about democracy. Will NEVER utter the words CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, you know that little thing America is. And the very reason the democrat party was formed, to fight against. The difference now, they have brought the socialist, marxist and communists into their party. And many would argue taken over by the anti American left.
 
I’m skeptically optimistic this pause will hold. Both sides are calling it a victory.

Have you actually read Iran’s 10-point demands Trump has agreed to negotiate? Sanctions lifted. Frozen assets released. Continue their nuclear program. U.S. troops out of the region. Control of the Strait of Hormuz. Compensation for the damage our bombs caused.

Credit where it’s due: the U.S. military earned a tactical success. Key targets hit. Leadership figures removed. Pause forced without escalating the war.

Right now, the only country not shooting is the U.S. Markets are finally seeing hope. But this isn’t a win. It’s a pause with better optics. Iran still holds leverage. The nuclear program issue isn’t resolved.

Here’s the kicker: our demands going into negotiations are the polar opposite of theirs — sanctions remain, nuclear program restricted, U.S. forces stay, and strategic control stays with us. Both sides will have to bend a lot before anything gets resolved.

Iran knows the U.S. has paused. They’re likely to keep pushing while negotiations drag on.
 
Widow maker 223 said:
The Ghost murmur part at the end, that shit is nuts

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Trump is dreaming if he thinks Iran is going to not only allow it but actually help him dig up “nuclear dust.”

They’ve already restricted access to the Strait again, citing Israel’s attacks in Lebanon. They’ve just hit Saudi export pipelines, Kuwaiti power and desalination, and are striking across the region. That’s not “peace,” that’s active conflict.

And before anyone tries to label it — I’m not a Democrat and I’m not cheering for Iran. I’m just calling it like it is and not buying any more of Trump’s BS. Call it fake all you want, but look at the reality on the ground: the only ones who actually stopped shooting is the U.S.
 
Even right-wing media are struggling to spin it as a win;

www.foxnews.com

Iran reveals 10-point plan for peace with the US – here's what's in it

The U.S. and Iran agreed to a two-week ceasefire as Iran shares a 10-point plan demanding sanctions relief and the right to enrich uranium.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Iran took real losses in this war, no question. But they didn’t lose what actually gives them leverage. The Strait was always their pressure point—now they’re actively using it. Thinking they’re just going to give that up after taking the beating we just gave them is delusional. If anything, pressure like that makes it more valuable to them, not less. And history shows they’re willing to absorb a lot more pain than we are to hold onto that leverage.
 
Widow maker 223 said:
The Ghost murmur part at the end, that shit is nuts

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I don’t want to come across as spitting venom at you—or anyone else with similar views. Like I’ve said before, this shouldn’t be a right-wing echo chamber; it should be about facing “the painful truth.”

Trump is calling for a criminal investigation, citing “fake news,” yet he puts out blatant falsehoods himself. This isn’t partisan—both sides are showing themselves as corrupt politicians.

If you actually compare what Trump is saying to the full text of Iran’s National Security Council statement on the ceasefire, the contradictions are impossible to ignore.

Iran's Supreme National Security Council Statement issued a statement on the ceasefire. Here is the text in full:

"The enemy, in its cowardly, illegal, and criminal war against the Iranian nation, has suffered an undeniable, historical, and crushing defeat. By the grace of the pure and holy blood of the Martyred Leader of the Islamic Revolution, His Eminence Grand Ayatollah Imam Khamenei (Peace be upon him), the prudent measures of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution and Commander-in-Chief, His Eminence Ayatollah Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei (May God protect him), and the struggle and bravery of the warriors of Islam on the fronts—especially the historical, lasting, and heroic presence of you, the dear nation, on the scene since the very first days of the war—Iran has achieved a massive victory and forced criminal America to accept its 10-point plan.

In this plan, America is fundamentally committed to guaranteeing non-aggression, the continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz, the acceptance of enrichment, the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, the termination of all resolutions of the Security Council and the Board of Governors, the payment of Iran’s damages, the withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from the region, and the cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.

We congratulate all the people of Iran on this victory and emphasise that until the details of this victory are finalised, there remains a need for the steadfastness and prudence of officials and the maintenance of unity and solidarity among the Iranian people.

Islamic Iran, along with the brave mujahideen of the Resistance in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and occupied Palestine, has dealt blows to the enemy over the past 40 days that the global historical memory will never forget. Iran and the Axis of Resistance, as representatives of honour and humanity against the most savage enemies of mankind, have given them an unforgettable lesson after a historical battle.

They have so crushed their forces, facilities, infrastructure, and all their political, economic, technological, and military assets that the enemy is now plunged into collapse and desperation, seeing no path before it other than surrender to the will of the great nation of Iran and the honourable Axis of Resistance.

On the first day, when the criminal enemies of Iran began this oppressive war, they imagined they would succeed in complete military dominance over Iran in a short time and force Iran to surrender by creating political and social instability. They thought Iran’s missile and drone fire would be quickly extinguished and did not believe that Iran could deliver such a powerful response beyond its borders and across the entire region.

Global evil Zionism had convinced the ignorant President of America that this war would finish Iran, allowing them—after removing this last bastion of humanity and mankind—to comfortably commit any crime against anyone they wished from then on. They dreamed of partitioning dear Iran, plundering its oil and wealth, and ultimately leaving Iranians immersed in chaos, instability, and insecurity for many long years.

The brave warriors of Islam and their courageous allies in the Axis of Resistance, despite their hearts being wounded and torn by the martyrdom of their Imam, decided—relying on Almighty God and following the Lord and Master of Martyrs—to give these enemies a historical lesson once and for all. They chose to take revenge for all previous crimes and create conditions where the enemy would forever cast away the thought of aggression against dear Iran, fully tasting the flavour of humiliation and abasement before the great nation of Iran.

With this strategy and relying on the unprecedented political and social unity established within the country, Iran and the Resistance initiated one of the heaviest hybrid battles in history against America and the Zionist regime, achieving all the objectives designed for this conflict during this period.

Iran and the Resistance almost completely destroyed the American military machine in the region; they dealt crushing and profound blows to the vast infrastructure and facilities that the enemy had built and stationed around the region over the years for this war against Iran. In regional dimensions, they imposed extensive casualties on the criminal American army, and within the occupied territories, they delivered heavy and shattering blows to the enemy’s forces, infrastructure, facilities, and assets.

They so constrained the field on all fronts that not only were none of the enemy’s main objectives realised, but the enemy realised approximately 10 days after the start of the war that it would in no way have the capability to win this war. For this reason, it began attempting to establish contact with Iran and requesting a ceasefire through various channels and methods.

The honourable nation of Iran must know that, by the grace of their children’s struggle and their historic presence on the scene, the enemy has been pleading for over a month for the cessation of the fierce fire of Iran and the Resistance. However, the country’s officials—because it had been decided from the very beginning that the war would continue until objectives were achieved, including the enemy’s regret and desperation and the removal of long-term threats from the country—gave a negative response to all these requests, and the war continued until today, which is the fortieth day.

Furthermore, Iran has so far rejected several deadlines presented by the President of the United States and continues to emphasise that it grants no importance to any type of deadline from the enemy.

We now give tidings to the great nation of Iran that almost all war objectives have been realized and your brave children have driven the enemy to a historic helplessness and a lasting defeat. Iran’s historic decision, backed by the unified support of the entire nation, is to continue this battle for as long as necessary until its massive achievements are consolidated and new security and political equations are created in the region based on the acceptance of the power and sovereignty of Iran and the Resistance.

In this regard, and according to the prudence of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, His Eminence Ayatollah Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei (May God protect him), and the approval of the Supreme National Security Council—and considering Iran and the Resistance’s upper hand in the battlefield, the enemy’s inability to carry out its threats despite all claims, and the formal acceptance of all the rightful demands of the Iranian people—it was decided that negotiations be held in Islamabad to finalise the details. This is so that within a maximum of 15 days, with the finalisation of details, Iran’s victory on the field shall also be consolidated in political negotiations.

To this end, while rejecting all plans presented by the enemy, Iran drafted a 10-point plan and presented it to the American side via the country of Pakistan. It emphasized fundamental points such as controlled passage through the Strait of Hormuz in coordination with Iran’s armed forces (which grants Iran a unique economic and geopolitical position), the necessity of ending the war against all components of the Axis of Resistance (which signifies a historic defeat for the aggression of the child-killing Israeli regime), the withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from all bases and deployment points in the region, the establishment of a secure transit protocol in the Strait of Hormuz such that it guarantees Iranian dominance according to the agreed protocol, the full payment of Iran’s damages according to estimates, the removal of all primary and secondary sanctions and resolutions of the Board of Governors and the Security Council, the release of all blocked Iranian properties and assets abroad, and finally, the approval of all these items in a binding Security Council resolution. It is worth noting that the approval of this resolution will turn all these agreements into binding international law and will create an important diplomatic victory for the nation of Iran.

Now, the honourable Prime Minister of Pakistan has informed Iran that the American side, despite all outward threats, has accepted these principles as the basis for negotiations and has surrendered to the will of the Iranian nation. Accordingly, at the highest level, it has been decided that Iran will engage in negotiations in Islamabad with the American side for a period of two weeks, based solely on these principles. It is emphasised that this does not mean the end of the war; Iran will only accept the termination of the war once the details—given the acceptance of Iran’s preferred principles in the 10-point plan—are finalised in the negotiations.

These negotiations will begin in Islamabad on Friday, April 10 (21 Farvardin), with complete distrust of the American side, and Iran will allocate two weeks for these talks. This timeframe is extendable by mutual agreement. It is essential that during this period, complete national unity be maintained and victory celebrations continue with strength.

The current negotiations are national negotiations and a continuation of the battlefield; it is necessary for all people, elites, and political groups to trust and support this process, which is under the supervision of the Leader of the Revolution and the highest levels of the system, and to strictly avoid any divisive comments.

If the enemy’s surrender on the battlefield is transformed into a decisive political achievement in the negotiations, we will celebrate this massive historical victory together; otherwise, we will fight side-by-side on the battlefield until all the demands of the Iranian nation are met. Our hands are on the trigger, and the moment the slightest error is committed by the enemy, it will be responded to with full power."
 
Infidel 762 said:
I don’t want to come across as spitting venom at you—or anyone else with similar views. Like I’ve said before, this shouldn’t be a right-wing echo chamber; it should be about facing “the painful truth.”
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Number 1 I don't think your a "leftist" of anything other than a concerned vested individual. Whom voices their concerns and thoughts. Even when I seem on this medium to disagree with you.

My buddy Ed and I will hold discussions that one of us will play devil's advocate on issues ranging from Laws / rulings to foreign policy.
So yes in conversations that my wife and daughter hears us in, they actually thought Ed was a leftist Democrat. Ed is far from that I assure you.
Reason why is they usually don't stick around for the whole discussion to the conclusion.

To that extent we both came to the same conclusion on this matter. It did not bode well, and the outcome was brutal for the Government of Iran.
 
Sgt_Mike said:
Number 1 I don't think your a "leftist" of anything other than a concerned vested individual. Whom voices their concerns and thoughts. Even when I seem on this medium to disagree with you.

My buddy Ed and I will hold discussions that one of us will play devil's advocate on issues ranging from Laws / rulings to foreign policy.
So yes in conversations that my wife and daughter hears us in, they actually thought Ed was a leftist Democrat. Ed is far from that I assure you.
Reason why is they usually don't stick around for the whole discussion to the conclusion.

To that extent we both came to the same conclusion on this matter. It did not bode well, and the outcome was brutal for the Government of Iran.
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I appreciate the perspective. I’m curious though: when you say “it did not bode well,” can you elaborate on what you mean? From what I’m seeing, every one of Trump’s demands has been rejected, and the Strait isn’t open. How do you reconcile that with the idea that the outcome was favorable, because what Trump is saying doesn’t line up with the reality on the ground.
 
I have an idea!
Iran started placing human shields around bridges and power plants and if we hit them there would be plenty of civilian casualties,. mostly women and children. While the cease fire is in effect, and those human shields aren't there, bomb every major power plant and bridge so the population can see exactly how well they are doing in the conflict, then when asked why he broke the ceasefire trump could smile and just say, "I Lied!
Then, open the Strait, and if any ship is attacked you will lose an oilfield or an oil terminal, no bridges, no power, and no oil revenue should make it easy for the Ayatollahs to convince their people that they are winning the war!
Guess you can see why I'm not presidential material! LOL !!
 
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