Is barrel break in necessary??

Not again
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Barrel break in: Do it if you want too plain and simple! Only you can decide if you want to waste your time, ammo, cleaning supplies, money, and time!

I'm one that just goes out and shoots the thing, sight it, after about 50 rounds start making loads, after 100 shoot for groups, clean only when the groups start to drop off!
 
Originally Posted By: skb2706 there is no way to prove or disprove it really does anything for you.

That's the plain and simple truth, but it doesn't stop folks from arguing about it.

Note to self,,,,, Never open threads with the following topics in the title.
17 HMR for Coyotes.
Barrel Break in.
Wolf Relocation.

I've also adopted a new personal policy to automatically hit the back button if anywhere in a post I see the term "Head Shots".

JMO
 
Originally Posted By: dmpowderNot again
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Barrel break in: Do it if you want too plain and simple! Only you can decide if you want to waste your time, ammo, cleaning supplies, money, and time!

I'm one that just goes out and shoots the thing, sight it, after about 50 rounds start making loads, after 100 shoot for groups, clean only when the groups start to drop off!

Its one of those posts...you know the ones. Its like a wildfire. Bound to spark debate. Count on it that in two weeks there will be an almost identical post with the same responses from the same poeple. Its like a full moon.
 
Originally Posted By: skb2706Shilen barrels says they only have a breakin procedure because their customers requested one. Otherwise they didn't say one way or another. I don't do it but there is no way to prove or disprove it really does anything for you.

there is a big difference between a cut-rifled, or lapped barrel than a factory barrel. Talk to your local smith, grab his borescope and look at a factory barrel once. Then compare it to a new aftermarket lapped or cut barrel. HUGE difference. Barrel break-in is probably un-neccisary for a custom barrel, but it sure couldn't hurt for a choppy factory barrel.
 
Originally Posted By: NdIndyOT here, but is the .17gr HMR good for yotes?
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Well depending on yadda yadda yadda, and yadda yadda yadda, yes.
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Well I guess it's to late,I already put 150 rds. through my new rifle(so I guess it's to late to break it in) with only one cleaning,getting some nice groups though.I am a engineer by trade copper shaping hardened steel not in my lifetime.It is the corrosion protection from lack of cleaning that eats up barrels in my opinion.Powders and barrels have came a long ways in the last 50 years.Oh and I have killed a few yotes with .17 hmr love that little gun!!!!
 
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Originally Posted By: rednekOriginally Posted By: NdIndyOT here, but is the .17gr HMR good for yotes?
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Well depending on yadda yadda yadda, and yadda yadda yadda, yes.
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Just keepin the ball rollin
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Originally Posted By: Joel GI am a engineer by trade copper shaping hardened steel not in my lifetime.

Then by your logic, ammo makers would be able to get one set of dies to last forever
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Originally Posted By: doggin coyotesLook at what just a little bit of water called the Colorado River shaped. I used a very similar explanation to a guy several years ago, when he said that a pice of plastic would never wear down a piece of steel (piece of production machinery), and thats similar to what I told him...look what water did to rock in Northern AZ. I dont think it too late for Joel G, though because all that copper skidded off after the first round is still being built upon. hehehe
 
Originally Posted By: fireguytyBarrel break in was made up by companys who sell barrels in order to wear out barrels faster and sell more barrels. You want scientific proof? No sir, I am much to stupid to do that, but this guy isn't. Please read.

Snipers hide smart guy

Read that before. The guy is smart but he isn't doing anything that every member of this board couldn't do. He basically reads articles. If you need a computer network set up he would know how to do it (Electrical Engineer). But what is his training and experience in Mechiancal (sp?) Engineering?


If you want to actually prove that breaking in a barrel is or is not of benifit you would need to start with two (or more) rifles with barrels as identical as possible, do a break in on one but not the other. Then just make sure that the exact same number of rounds is fired through each of them as well as clean the same number of times and then see what kind of groups you get after about 5000 rounds have been fire through each rifle. Obviously this would not be cheap, easy or quick. But if you want to try it to prove or disprove anything, go ahead.
 
You wouldn't want to use live fire for the test, too many variables, bad scientific method. The bullets vary, the powder charge varies, the case thickness varies, the powder mix from the company varies yada yada yada. I'd expect variations in grouping with any rifle regardless of how precise the load is.

You would want multiple barrels from the same company but would have to measure barrel wear independently of all others and see how each barrel responds to the abrasion of the cleaning through actual measurement. More money in equipment than I care to refi my house to buy
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Personally I don't think I'll shoot enough out of any barrel to reach the end of it's life. Too many guns and I wander from caliber to caliber as my mood sees fit. I could do a break in and knock 1000 rounds off a barrel and I'll probably never know.

Except my AR, pretty sure that barrels been shot out a loooong time ago.

If it turns you on to do it, than do it. Personally cleaning 1 rifle 30 times in 1 day doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather sight in and go hunting.
 
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Can't see how it could be done without live fire.
As for the variables;
brass from the same lot but each rifle has it's own set,
bullets from the same lot,
powder from the same lot
use same load in the two rifles
or cartridges from the same lot.
That should take care of the variables that you named.
 
When you buy a custom barrel, it has been lapped and that is the break in. Thats why you paid the big bucks. But those barrels you get with the factory Rems, Wins, ect need some TLC. What could it hurt.
 
Originally Posted By: RePeteOriginally Posted By: skb2706 there is no way to prove or disprove it really does anything for you.

That's the plain and simple truth, but it doesn't stop folks from arguing about it.

Note to self,,,,, Never open threads with the following topics in the title.
17 HMR for Coyotes.
Barrel Break in.
Wolf Relocation.

I've also adopted a new personal policy to automatically hit the back button if anywhere in a post I see the term "Head Shots".

JMO


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What about this one 220 swift as king of the rifles and thats good for atleast 30 pages
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Lol I knew I'd get some kick back on that one!!!But I do think it was more than just water that shaped the grand canyon (dissolved solids)?????
 
Originally Posted By: Joel GLol I knew I'd get some kick back on that one!!!But I do think it was more than just water that shaped the grand canyon (dissolved solids)????? Thats allright JoelG, sometimes it`s fun to just spout off a little, especially on a question that from now on should be simply answered, "try the search function".(but wheres the fun in that?)And I believe your correct about the Gr.Canyon...hmm, I think one theory is a glacier during the ice age...kinda like a big ice cube with rocks and such in it.
 
Originally Posted By: rednekOriginally Posted By: Joel GI am a engineer by trade copper shaping hardened steel not in my lifetime.

Then by your logic, ammo makers would be able to get one set of dies to last forever
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I really don't know how many bullets they get off a set a dies (maybe a million like I said not in my lifetime)but then again I'm just a hunter not a match shooter where a 32nd of a inch is going to make a difference or a Semi auto or auto shooter that heat up barrels,I just sight em in and hunt and check em if I think there off.I have a 3rd generation 220 swift(probably the biggest known Barrel burner ever made) that still shoots under a moa(I did up grade the optics).Keep em clean and cool and enjoy like my dad and grandpa and I do, and I hope my son(I'm not gonna give it up yet) and grandson will. There is nothing like flattening coyotes at 300 plus and thinking I wonder if that is best shot this gun has made.
 


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