Is one custom rifle worth several factory rifles?

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Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: liliysdadOriginally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishingPut that rifle out to 1,000 yards or even a mile and compare it to a full custom rifle then. A half custom savage won't get near as good of groups as a half Rem 700 custom or a full custom rifle at extreme ranges.

Ooohhh...you done it now..

LOL I was thinking the same thing when I read that a little while ago. My first thought was, uh oh things are about to heat up now. LOL, THAT made me spit my drink out. Heading out to get the popcorn now. Always ready for a good chuckle (fight)...
 
Originally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishing A half custom savage won't get near as good of groups as a half Rem 700 custom or a full custom rifle at extreme ranges.

Ummm..really? See that Savage that I am holding in my Avatar? Traded a gun that I paid $200 for for it. And after putting a $70 Rifle Basix trigger on it I screwed in a $150 ER Shaw .223 AI barrel and tah-dah! My 700 yard prairie dog killing machine. Well, two at 680 and one at around 690 and one at 705. Good enough for me. I have not done this well with my George Vais built M700 .220 Swift.
 
Originally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishingI think if you were serious about going to a custom rifle you should talk to a guy on this forum under the name "Buster Hindend" he knows everything there is to know about building a rifle can suggest the best parts and can suggest budget parts he can also suggest calibers, gunsmiths, and anything else that comes along with a build.


I heard that guy lives behind a dumpster at walmart?


And I am sorry to tell you this, if you think a savage action will not shoot as well as a Remington action at 1000 yds....pal, you are in for a rude awakening.
 
I am absolutely not a Savage fan..not in any way, shape or form. Part of me would rather not shoot than shoot a Savage.


Even I am not ignorant or naive enough to think they dont shoot a lot better than they should.
 
At one time, I had 12 Hall M actions and two Stolle Panda actions, I was hooked on extreme accuracy and thought that it took a custom action to get the tiny groups.

My best friend passed away and I was given his Ruger 77 tang safety in 6 Rem V, and a Parker Hale Mauser in 6 Remington varmint.

I put custom barrels on each of the Ruger and Parker Hale, with very good chambers, 12T, and each of them shot groups in the 2's.

Just say'en........
 
Everyone can argue all you want, but never once did I say a savage won't shoot. Because they will, for a low cost gun they are great but at the end of the day how many long range benchrest shooters do you see shooting a savage? They are complete crap and everyone here may not agree but that's just my opinion. People don't go out and spend 10 grand on a gun just to have a savage shoot just as good.
 
Originally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishingThey are complete crap and everyone here may not agree but that's just my opinion.

"Complete crap"? I suspect that you will find quite a few thousand of us that will disagree with that.

I think that there are many thousands of ground squirrels and prairie dogs that wish that I have never bought the ones I have. Well, if they were still alive to be able to wish that anyway.

Want to chime in here, Keith? I think you have been known to make a few Savages do some amazing thing have you not?
 
You know what they say about "opinions"?? And what they resemble!! And how they smell!!
 
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Originally Posted By: RustydustOriginally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishingThey are complete crap and everyone here may not agree but that's just my opinion.

"Complete crap"? I suspect that you will find quite a few thousand of us that will disagree with that.

I think that there are many thousands of ground squirrels and prairie dogs that wish that I have never bought the ones I have. Well, if they were still alive to be able to wish that anyway.

Want to chime in here, Keith? I think you have been known to make a few Savages do some amazing thing have you not? Obviously your a Savage fan and I get that people have there opinions kinda like dodge owners it may not be my choice but it is theirs but at the end of the day can you honestly spread a complete lie by arguing the fact that savage is some kind of God gun? They are cheap made shooters at the end of the day if they didn't have the low price tag they did NOBODY would buy them. Ask anybody who has ever bought a Hi-Point pistol why they did it I guarantee they won't rant to you about the high quality and the reliability of it. I'll repeat myself, savage rifles will shoot I'd be a liar and stupid to say that they won't cause that has been proven time and time again (Obviously by you also) but can you call yourself an honest person by saying a savage is better than a full custom.

I'll go as far as saying that maybe savage is even better than alot of half Rem 700 customs, but they arnt, cant, and never will be better than a full custom. Even if they shoot better they sure as [beeep] arnt of even a 1/10th of the quality even a low end custom rifle is.
 
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Let me just say that I was anything but a Savage fan at one time. I almost despised them. But...times change. I will not go into all the things that (slowly) started changing my mind but accuracy was first and foremost. And as a varmint hunter that's what I was after.

AND, I can have me several guns that can do what want at 500 yards and beyond for what one tricked out bench gun could cost. I dont care about punching holes in paper at 1000 yards. I care about punching holes in things that have whiskers at 500 yards.

I have or have had Model 70's and M700's and Sakos and CZ's and M77's not a bad thing will I say about any of them. But to buy a gun that will shoot like a Savage will or as cheaply can be made to shoot is not that easy. I like easy. And I like accurate. And I like not spending a fortune. And when I have something that works and works well I like to keep it. I will be keeping my Savages for a long while.
 
Well I didn't mean to offend anyone I guess and I apologize for anyone that was offended by what I said. I just don't like savage but hey we all have opinions.

But don't take my apology as a retraction of my statement... I do not believe now nor could anyone convince me to believe that a savage is any better then a full custom rifle. It could out-shoot Coopers and Dakotas in front of me all day long and I still won't believe it is a better gun then either of them or a full custom. I think quality matters just as much as accuracy, sure a quality made gun should be accurate especially when quality comes with the price tags they do but savage is anything but quality made.
 
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Originally Posted By: liliysdadI am absolutely not a Savage fan..not in any way, shape or form. Part of me would rather not shoot than shoot a Savage

I'm pretty close to having the same opinion. When it comes to guns, for me, if I'm going to own them, they have to be appealing to me. It can be the finest shooting weapon in the world but if I find it ugly, no thanks. There is no denying Savage centerfire rifles either flat shoot right out of the box or can be made to shoot extremely well with a new barrel that you can buy prechambered and install yourself. Not something others offer so I certainly get their appeal in that respect. Aesthetically, and this is where I'll likely pizz all the Savage folks off, I think they are about the most fugly action ever produced in modern times and as much as I respect their ability to shoot well, there is no freakin way I'd ever own one, but again, that's just my personal taste. As for their quality, I don't know, they must not be to bad or they wouldn't shoot so well and I can't say that I've heard a lot about them having problems so their "quality" must be on par.

How do we measure "quality" in a rifle?? Do we compare tolerances, fit and finish, price, beauty, all the above, I'm not really sure and I suppose everyone has their own opinion on how we measure or compare it.
 
No denying that they are unattractive.

But rather have an ugly gun that shoots great than a pretty gun that dont shoot so great.

Besides, when I am looking through my scope I cannot tell what they look like. Only what they shoot like. And I like how they shoot.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: liliysdadI am absolutely not a Savage fan..not in any way, shape or form. Part of me would rather not shoot than shoot a Savage

I'm pretty close to having the same opinion. When it comes to guns, for me, if I'm going to own them, they have to be appealing to me. It can be the finest shooting weapon in the world but if I find it ugly, no thanks. There is no denying Savage centerfire rifles either flat shoot right out of the box or can be made to shoot extremely well with a new barrel that you can buy prechambered and install yourself. Not something others offer so I certainly get their appeal in that respect. Aesthetically, and this is where I'll likely pizz all the Savage folks off, I think they are about the most fugly action ever produced in modern times and as much as I respect their ability to shoot well, there is no freakin way I'd ever own one, but again, that's just my personal taste. As for their quality, I don't know, they must not be to bad or they wouldn't shoot so well and I can't say that I've heard a lot about them having problems so their "quality" must be on par.

How do we measure "quality" in a rifle?? Do we compare tolerances, fit and finish, price, beauty, all the above, I'm not really sure and I suppose everyone has their own opinion on how we measure or compare it. +1 for fugly lol.
 
Originally Posted By: RustydustNo denying that they are unattractive.

But rather have an ugly gun that shoots great than a pretty gun that dont shoot so great.

Besides, when I am looking through my scope I cannot tell what they look like. Only what they shoot like. And I like how they shoot.

Savage rifles are like a choice in women to me. Me, I'd rather have an attractive woman who does everything she does well while looking good doing it, as opposed to an ugly woman who cooks well.
 
A couple of stories that don't really matter. I shot a 22BR match a few years ago at the club. I shot a 10/22 Ruger with a Green Mountain barrel in a Hogue stock. Had a little work on the trigger too. The only rifle that beat me was a full blown Anschutz bench rifle. And he just barely beat me....barely!! Another time at the club, there was a guy shooting a full custom rifle set up for PRS matchs. Stiller, Mcmillian, Kreiger, Jewel, and a S&B scope. Heck the rifle cost more than my truck. I had a little Savage Axis in 223. While being an POS cheap Savage, which was the total reason I bought it, was shooting groups at 100 yards half the size of his. He killed me on looks but I murdered him on group sizes.

Makes me think sometimes its the Indian and not the arrow. And by the way, if you haven't looked lately, Savages ain't that cheap anymore. This was pointless wasn't it???
 
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