Is the 6.5 Creedmoor done?

Internet caliber of the month like so many others before. Once the newness wears off its just another option. Remember all the short and super short mags that were going to replace everything else.
 
Originally Posted By: springerOriginally Posted By: CZ527I honestly think that the 6.5 creedmoor is head and shoulders better than the 260.... shorter powder column, sharper shoulder,

That's kind of funny, as I've just come off threads where people crap on the AI rounds for putting on a sharper shoulder but when it's a Creedmoor it's benefit...I sure hope it's done because I'm tired of hearing the arguments about how it is better than so many rounds than can perform the same...I'm sure it's great but the mythical arguments are getting really old. If I wanted a good 6.5mm it would be a 260AI, I'd pass right by the Creedmoor.


Big difference as you know in a 30 and 40 degree shoulder. I’m not one of those that said anything about the AI stuff, except that I don’t like to fireform to that degree.

In point of fact, i shoot a 6.5x47 (you know, the original, not the copy) just because it’s shorter, and at the time I thought it would be years before we saw Lapua Creedmoor brass.
 
Originally Posted By: IdahoSawtoothInternet caliber of the month like so many others before. Once the newness wears off its just another option. Remember all the short and super short mags that were going to replace everything else.

I agree there’s been a ton of stuff that flopped, and for good reason. All this 22 nosler/Valkyrie business for example.

I think that in the last 20 or so years that the 204 Ruger, 6.5 Lapua/Creedmoor, and the 6.8 SPC are noteworthy. They can keep the rest of it, as there’s really something better or already in existence right there on the shelf.

204 added a hotrod we didn’t have, the Lapua/Creedmoor thing gave us 1200+ yard steel bangers/extended range hunting rifles that won’t beat you up and the 6.8 legitimized the AR as a hunting rifle.

These are of course just my favorites and my opinions of them.
 
To me, it's about support.
Lots of ways to send high B.C .264 bullets down range, and for the competition crowd the AI is fine or the x47L and others too.

I have X47L's, and like them a lot, but there are no factory rifles or ammo at the local store.

Hornady has done the heavy lifting on the Creedmoor. Rifles are now readily available as is some very good factory ammo. Lapua has brass now. Everyone who wants one can get a rifle. Priced from $400 for the Ruger to $1500 for a chassis gun like the one I bought from Bergara. Ammo from match to plinking is everywhere.
Dies are also ready for your purchase from competition grade Redding to every day Hornady. Lots of choices out there for the Creedmoor. Somebody made that happen, and is backing it all up with support.

Compare that to every other 6.5 out there including the 260 Rem. Nothing else enjoys the kind of factory support the Creedmoor has.
Pretty sure the Creedmoor family is more than a fad, and will be with us long after many other 6.5's are foot notes in history.
 
I personally don't think the 6.5 PRC really answers a question anyone was asking, so it's not going to dethrone the ALREADY DEPOSED 6.5 Creedmoor as the "hot schitt" of the PRS world. The 6.5 Creed has already fallen way to the 6mm's, so going back to a harder recoiling round just doesn't make sense. The 6.5creed ruled the roost for a few years, but the "odd balls" in the mix weren't 6.5 RSAUMS, they were 243win AI's, 6 Dasher's, x47's... The direction has NOT been to run bigger and faster, it has gone to lighter and lower recoiling... So Hornady was driving the wrong direction when they set their map to produce a "right under the velocity limit" cartridge.

I'm sure a few guys will game it and use the PRC, and I'm sure there will be a handful of pro's giving them the GOOD advice to run something with lesser recoil. Hitting 3150 isn't really a magical accomplishment. Being able to run ~500rnds in a weekend of stages and still deliver on the long targets is what makes a difference. If the ranges at matches suddenly become more focused on 1200+, maybe the demand for this will reveal itself. Until then, it's just something to compete with the 28 and 26 Nosler... Answers to questions nobody asked.
 
I think the most telling thing about the 6.5 Creedmoor is the fact that Lapua basically waved the flag of defeat on their own version when they started producing Creedmoor brass.

Now I am by no means arguing superiority between the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5×47lapua. All I'm saying is it was a telling moment when they produced brass for their direct competing round.
 
Originally Posted By: FairChase93. . . All I'm saying is it was a telling moment when [Lapua] produced brass for their direct competing round.

This x2 and then I'll throw in Remington now offering rifles in 6.5 creed. You know that was a TOUGH pill for them to swallow.

The creedmoor won the battle between it, the 47L, and the 260R. Is the creed the best of the bunch performance wise? Maybe, maybe not. But they're so similar that was never really the question. It was always going to be marketing and market domination. And the creed blew the other two away there.
 
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Market support and availability of rifles and ammunition have nothing to do with cartridge superiority. If that was the case, we would have stopped with the .30-06.

Lapua waved no white flag by offering creedmoor brass. They did, however, open their wallet. That’s it.

Having shot them both more than enough to say, the Lapua is indeed a better cartridge and has records to prove it.

I see the appeal of the creedmoor, all the way. You’re just one Ruger American and a box of “Match” ammo away from being a Tom Berringer stunt double.... I’d just rather have the Lapua, as I reload and don’t intend to ever purchase a factory center fire rifle again.
 
Yes, it will be done soon.

I think the cartridge got popular by the folks saying they shoot the "Creedmoor". Sounds cool.

260 Rem has been around longer, has more case capacity, etc. Just wasn't named "Creedmoor". Who the heck wants a boring 260 when you can have the CREEDMOOR!!!

Now they have the 6mm Creedmoor! Guess the 243 sucks now...when you can have the CREEDMOOR.

I too want a Creedmoor just because. Then I'll make up stuff to prove it's the best in an argument.

Creedmoor (said in my Beavis voice). Sorry, shouldn't post after a few...

HAPPY NEW YEARS TO ALL! Be safe out there
 
The Creedmoor isn't done. Too much industry initiative and consumer confidence behind it. The 6.5 PRC will be a flash in the pan. More recoil which means less shooting and less purchasing of ammo/brass. Think WSM/WSSM here.

I like my .260 Remington in that it's a simple neck up/down affair with .308 based cases. However, magazine constraints and marketing kept it from being what the Creedmoor is today.
 
Creedmoor isn't done because the company that developed it promoted it and rifle makers put together firearms with the correct twist to optimize the round. Contrast this to Remington, a company that's developed its share of great cartridges and then completely screwed them up, ie: 280, 6mm Remington, and to some extent the 6.8 spc.
 
Still working on load development with my 6.5 Creedmoor, but I am safely just a skosh over 2900 fps with 140's with a 24" barrel at 1/2 moa. It's working just fine so far.
 
I sure think it’s the real deal, I enjoy mine more each time I shoot it. Like others have said ,you can buy a box of Black or American Gunner for nineteen bucks or so. Plus it’s crazy accurate and you have good brass to reload. Recoil is manageable and barrel life is good. I’m so impressed I’ve got my ear to the ground to find out all I can about the 6mm Creedmoor.
 
I took my 6.5 Best Ever and a couple of other rifles to a nearby range on Monday. I shot my Stainless Ruger Hawkeye, which is an accurate rifle, and I continued to be underwhelmed at what mine doesn't do in comparison to what the majority of 6.5 BE shooters experience. No tingly legs for me.

On the way home I stopped by a friend's place and walked around a bit looking for a few "targets of opportunity" coyotes and found two of them. Both of them "bang-flopped" to my 22-250 OD (Old and Decrepit). I can only imagine the magic in numbers I would have experienced if the coyotes had known that I had a 6.5 BE in the truck. I'd have probably saw 50 and killed 49 of them. At least.
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The 6.5 BE just simply makes everything else better too.
 


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