Is this hunting ??????????

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Redfrog... "That bunch of hounds wouldn't sit around in the yard and sleep all day. They would hunt and kill what they catch." Oh really, so there are no laws in Alberta about dogs running loose in wildlife habitat. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Come on that is the weakest argument that I have ever heard. It's kind of like saying pitbulls were bread to fight soooo they should be allowed to /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

And yes, the mantra of one shot one (quick) kill is what everyone should strive for. It's not purist or elitest ... It's hunter ethics 101. Notice I used the word strive ... the important point being one knows at the outset that if you are going to let your dogs kill a yoke, it is going to be long and messy whereas with a rifle, handgun, bow, crossbow ... etc the goal is quick and humane.

P.S. if your deer runs for twenty minutes after being shot with a bow, you need alot more pratice before you should be hunting with one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Buddy you've got 16 posts. If you can hit yourself in the a$$ with both hands I'd like to see it. I think you're just stirring the pot. I would say it is a Canadian thing but I like Redfrog and a few other Canucks on here that I have never met. And one more thing. If I ever see a hunter that good with a bow I will be pushing them to get their butt to the Olympic tryouts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
We DO NOT have to support all "forms" of hunting,this all for one attitude doesnt fly with me.If we dont police ourselves we will find antis policing our sport,the very unpopular forms of hunting that people see to become antis(this video and many others including canned hunts) create new antis out of people who really have no experience or opinion of hunting.If you cant understand how canned hunts and stupid videos like this one do more damage to us than an anti could then you really are in the dark.Hunting?NO,effective?YES,something to film and share,NEVER,the morons who made this video have just put another hole in the support for our sport,some day this type will destroy it for everyone.
 
I guess if you like this sort of thing its alright with me but I personally wouldnt like seeing this.I can see why they chase them down to control the predator population but why do they set there and listen to the coyote yelp for five minutes when they could have a 22 pistol and kill it right then and there?I have been taught that if your gonna kill somethin thats just fine but kill it as quickly as possible and thats what I try to do every time I squeeze the trigger.Im not saying this is a bad thing its just not for me.Another thing I was wondering about was that in the video discription it said it was in Oklahoma and they were chasing them in trucks.So why is it illegal to chase a coyote down and shoot it?Shooting a running coyote is alot harder than settin in a truck cheerin for a bunch of ugly greyhounds.Besides if a coyotes gonna die I wanna be the one making it die and the pelt would be alot more useful to me that way. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I don't like hunting with hounds. Around here they run them for bear and coyotes. Although I don't think its sporting as the "hunter" I have a lot of respect for the dogs. They are extremely good at what they do and you can tell the dogs enjoy it. It is quite impressive to see a trained dog take out a coyote in full stride. And the sound of dogs on either a bear or coon ar bunny just gets the blood going.

So I support hunters who use hounds. It is a traditional(maybe oldest) style of hunt. And it is very effective!

Deer drives are a big thing around here. Also not my favorite style of hunting but it gets tags/freezers filled with venison. I like hunting alone but hunting with others can be a lot of fun too.

SUPPORT THE HUNTING AND SHOOTING SPORTS
 
Mojavej.... You quote what I said, but then to fail to put up any intelligent rebutal to what I said. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Or do you actually think that one's experience or the validity of their opinion is dictated by their number of posts? If thats what you think ... well then, too bad for you I quess. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Oh, and BTW, I can actually hit by A$$ with one hand tied behind by back no less! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
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.... do you actually think that one's experience or the validity of their opinion is dictated by their number of posts?



Of course it is, until you proove other wise. Think about it.
 
Well I think everyone has voiced there opinion, and I dont think anybody is changing there mind. Now that we all know each other a little better, lets call it a thread. Eh?
 
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Redfrog... "That bunch of hounds wouldn't sit around in the yard and sleep all day. They would hunt and kill what they catch." Oh really, so there are no laws in Alberta about dogs running loose in wildlife habitat. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Come on that is the weakest argument that I have ever heard. It's kind of like saying pitbulls were bread to fight soooo they should be allowed to /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Read ALL the my post again. I didn't say dogs were allowed to run loose in wildlife habitat or any where else. I said the hunter trains them as to where and when that is appropriate.

I also didn't say it was ok for pitbulls to fight, you did.

I said regardless of what the rifle hunter wants, there are times when we don't get what we want and the animal runs off injured , or takes a follow up shot or two to dispatch it, or simply does not drop dead in it's tracks.
I happen to have hunted more years than you've been alive, so to me the theory of "one shot. one kill" is just that. It is something to strive for, but is not necessarily reality.

Answer a few questions for me please.

Have you ever hunted with a bow? If so for how long and what have you shot?

Ever hunted with site hounds?


And yes, the mantra of one shot one (quick) kill is what everyone should strive for. It's not purist or elitest ... It's hunter ethics 101. Notice I used the word strive ... the important point being one knows at the outset that if you are going to let your dogs kill a yoke, it is going to be long and messy whereas with a rifle, handgun, bow, crossbow ... etc the goal is quick and humane.

H How long have you been teaching the hunter ethics course? Where did you get the info that it was long and messy. Even in the video it takes less than a minute. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Once again many kills with firearms ar not quick and humane, try to get your mind around the reality.


P.S. if your deer runs for twenty minutes after being shot with a bow, you need alot more pratice before you should be hunting with one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif



How many coyotes have you killed? What did you use? were they all bangflops. Any pictures, Weasel loves pictures. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Well I think everyone has voiced there opinion, and I dont think anybody is changing there mind. Now that we all know each other a little better, lets call it a thread. Eh?



Easily the most intelligent comment yet, even with the "eh" thrown in there!
 
Redfrog, ... you said exactly as I quoted you above .. that's why I used quotation marks. In your last post you said, and I quote you again "I also didn't say it was ok for pitbulls to fight, you did." I think that if you will double check what I actually said, you will have to agree that I, in fact, said NO SUCH THING!

How is it that you know by age? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gifAre you claivoyant. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif If you you have been hunting longer than I have been alive, you must be doing it now from a rocking chair now. LOL If have been at it for over 25 years years and I think that long enough to know a thing or two. OR are you just going to spout that tired old line about about I have been doing it longer, so threrefore my point of view MUST be right.

The reality is that with most types of weapons, both the goal and the potential is there for a clean, quick kill. This is not generally the case with hounds. Yes, it doesn't also happen, but the potential is there.
 
ECH does this quote look familiar?
"You quote what I said, but then to fail to put up any intelligent rebutal to what I said."

So does that mean you don't know the answers to the questions I asked?

I don't need to know your age to make the statement I made.I've read your opinions.

Why not answer my questions?
 
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We DO NOT have to support all "forms" of hunting,this all for one attitude doesnt fly with me.



That is very similar to Zumbo's "I don't need to support all forms of firearms"......

Who gets to pick and choose which "forms" we get to keep?
 
At least it looks like 2robinhood is legit. I said before I wouldn't apologize if I was wrong, but I will:

Sorry, man. I was evidently mistaken in thinking that you were an ARF trolling for bites.

Your choice of topics might need a little work, though! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I have to chime in with my 2 cents, sorry!

NASA is %100 correct. I get so tires, so tired of guys getting on here complaining about how this form of hunting isn't ethical or this is "how I think hunting shoiuld be" stuff.

It doesn't matter what YOU think. Explain to me why YOU are the one that decides what is ok and what isn't?

So you don't run dogs, think it is gross, it turns your stomach....so what? So it will "give the anti's fuel"...so what.

Do something about the antis. Stand for your rights and be heard. There is a lot of money that gets spent in the hunting industry....plain and simple. If money talks, then be heard.

I get sick of people "apologizing" for hunting, ( I don't care what YOUR version of hunting is). They will never stop taking away things you can hunt. They won't stop at prairie dogs, they won'ty stop at wolves. They don't want us to shoot ANYTHING!

Do I find it appealing to watch animals kill each other, who cares. I don't have to if I don't want to watch. But don't you dare try to put your values as the benchmark.

Like Crapshoot said, divided we fall.

They won't stop if they get our "Assault rifles or handguns", it is the same thing. They want our way of life to end. Period.

Don't give them anything, fight for everything.

Oh, and it is not the same as poaching and hunting....poaching is against the law. Whether we like it or not, other people enjoy different styles of hutning or enjoying the outdoors, it is not your right to say what is ok for me or for me to decide what is ok for you.


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Who gets to pick and choose which "forms" we get to keep?



I vote for NASA. He gets to pick and choose. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
NASA for president. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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We DO NOT have to support all "forms" of hunting,this all for one attitude doesnt fly with me.



That is very similar to Zumbo's "I don't need to support all forms of firearms"......

Who gets to pick and choose which "forms" we get to keep?



Man, I knew someone would bite on this statement! I haven't been around here all that long, but, from what I've seen, Mr Nonya doesn't support any form of hunting, speaking, breathing, or anything else that isn't done exactly his way. I really have to force myself to not post my thoughts sometimes, but it is elitists like this that will bring an end to hunting because they insist on causing this rift. The fuel the anti's need is for hunters to disagree and argue with each other over stupid crap.

BTW, I stick by what I said earlier. Since each person dictates their own ethics and moral standards, then the great thing about being American is that, as long as it is legal, you get to live by your own standards! My own stance on hunting ethics is much different than some folks. Guess what, I just don't hunt with those folks. But, as long as they are not breaking the law, then they are acting in accordance with their own ethics, and they shouldn't have to put up with me lecturing them on mine. I don't try to force my religion on others, so why should I try to force my ethics on them?
 
How come if a person posts his opinion, he gets slammed and flamed and called names. If he is just posting his opinion why do we have to name call?

I don't hound hunt because of several reasons. I don't have dogs, I don't know anyone with dogs, I don't care for the 5 on 1 to the death fight just not my bag. I think if the coyote was brought to bay and then the handler shot him it would be better. This is my opinion if you want to flame me then I ask what gives you the right to flame me when all I did was post my opinion of that type of hunting? We don't need to call people names and show disrespect toward others. We just need to post our opinions. Try to learn from others by reading thier side of it. Lets not get into the my way is the best way or the only way. Acting al PO'ed at what someone says. Educate them if you think they need it, don't get pissy and show the little red faced icon. The best way to get your point across it to educate the other on the subject.
I feel much more educated after reading this whole thread, but I still don't care for hound hunting, but I understand more then I did. But then again what I have said doesn't really matter in the scope of World Peace and all that touch feely carp, but it was fun to type all this. LOL
 
When animals attack each other in the wild, they are usually pretty quick kills, right? I don't think I have ever seen a video of a pack of wolves eating an elk alive. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif That would never happen!! Usually when a lion dies in the wild, he still gets to guide his heir-to-the-throne son back on track to regain the throne from his evil, murdering Uncle Scar!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

All of this anti-hunting stuff never would have gotten started if it wasn't for that movie Bambi. I say that when they unfreeze Walt Disney, we should all go kick him in the nards!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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