Keyholing
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Originally Posted By: Plant.OneOriginally Posted By: GLShooterBore snakes are the tool of the debil.
Greg
i'll bite... why?
I think Rustys post above explained it well. Good enough ain't good enough.
I had four Federal snipers I trained using Rem Oil and bore snakes on thier rifles before we met.. They couldn't hit jack until we mined about a pound of copper out of four rifles. I was issued one from another prison to use for teaching and use if the Warden said go. It took three hours of cleaning with Sweets to recover that bore. It was cleaned with a BS before I got it.
Greg
Greg
i'll bite... why?
I think Rustys post above explained it well. Good enough ain't good enough.
I had four Federal snipers I trained using Rem Oil and bore snakes on thier rifles before we met.. They couldn't hit jack until we mined about a pound of copper out of four rifles. I was issued one from another prison to use for teaching and use if the Warden said go. It took three hours of cleaning with Sweets to recover that bore. It was cleaned with a BS before I got it.
Greg
Plant.One
Well-known member
Originally Posted By: GLShooterOriginally Posted By: Plant.OneOriginally Posted By: GLShooterBore snakes are the tool of the debil.
Greg
i'll bite... why?
I think Rustys post above explained it well. Good enough ain't good enough.
I had four Federal snipers I trained using Rem Oil and bore snakes on thier rifles before we met.. They couldn't hit jack until we mined about a pound of copper out of four rifles. I was issued one from another prison to use for teaching and use if the Warden said go. It took three hours of cleaning with Sweets to recover that bore. It was cleaned with a BS before I got it.
Greg
like anything else you have to understand its limitations and work within them. just because its a limited use item doesn't make it a BAD item.
yes i'll perfectly agree that there's no substitute for a brush, rod, patches and high quality solvent when it comes to a major clean, but that doesn't make a bore snake a BAD tool.
The same applies to someone who uses it improperly - as with your example. the examples listed in this thread are all OPERATOR error, not the fault of the tool used. They didn't clean their guns properly. Its not the bore snakes' fault they didn't know what the [beeep] they were doing was it? that's akin to blaming the fork for making you fat, or the car for making you drive drunk.
and yea ok so they're not the end all to be all of gun cleaning, but there's nothing wrong with using the tool for what its capable of. they're a great tool for a quick cleaning after a day in the field where you only fire off a few shots and just need to wipe the bore with some rem oil or a mild solvent. or even after a long day out shooting when i dont have time to break my stuff apart and clean it tonight before i fall over dead into bed.
as another example - my 17hmr really doesnt copper up badly at all. but after a couple hundred rounds it will carbon foul and start to pattern more like a [beeep] .410. Spray some solvent down the tube, half dozen pulls with the bore snake, quick run with some rem oil for a final wipe and i'm back in business. and while yes - it tells me that when i get home its time to do a real cleaning, it'll still get me through the rest of my afternoon, until i can get home and do that proper cleaning it deserves.
kinda see where i'm coming from?
Greg
i'll bite... why?
I think Rustys post above explained it well. Good enough ain't good enough.
I had four Federal snipers I trained using Rem Oil and bore snakes on thier rifles before we met.. They couldn't hit jack until we mined about a pound of copper out of four rifles. I was issued one from another prison to use for teaching and use if the Warden said go. It took three hours of cleaning with Sweets to recover that bore. It was cleaned with a BS before I got it.
Greg
like anything else you have to understand its limitations and work within them. just because its a limited use item doesn't make it a BAD item.
yes i'll perfectly agree that there's no substitute for a brush, rod, patches and high quality solvent when it comes to a major clean, but that doesn't make a bore snake a BAD tool.
The same applies to someone who uses it improperly - as with your example. the examples listed in this thread are all OPERATOR error, not the fault of the tool used. They didn't clean their guns properly. Its not the bore snakes' fault they didn't know what the [beeep] they were doing was it? that's akin to blaming the fork for making you fat, or the car for making you drive drunk.
and yea ok so they're not the end all to be all of gun cleaning, but there's nothing wrong with using the tool for what its capable of. they're a great tool for a quick cleaning after a day in the field where you only fire off a few shots and just need to wipe the bore with some rem oil or a mild solvent. or even after a long day out shooting when i dont have time to break my stuff apart and clean it tonight before i fall over dead into bed.
as another example - my 17hmr really doesnt copper up badly at all. but after a couple hundred rounds it will carbon foul and start to pattern more like a [beeep] .410. Spray some solvent down the tube, half dozen pulls with the bore snake, quick run with some rem oil for a final wipe and i'm back in business. and while yes - it tells me that when i get home its time to do a real cleaning, it'll still get me through the rest of my afternoon, until i can get home and do that proper cleaning it deserves.
kinda see where i'm coming from?
Tim Neitzke
New member
Once I get done LMAO , I'll try and respond !
Rusty, sorry your having troubles..
Rusty, sorry your having troubles..
The only ones I hate cleaning are the 17's. It seems to be inversely proportional in effort compared tp the bigger bores. I like Butch's for most of my cleaning. Of course Kroil can be a helper too.
Greg
I just looked and the last post put me at an even thousand. ...On a roll now. .LOL
Greg
I just looked and the last post put me at an even thousand. ...On a roll now. .LOL
Tim Neitzke
New member
"The Debil " Greg , hit that one on the head !
"snakes " work for knocking a little crude out now and then, BUT they are NOT a maitnence cleaning tool.
I've got 2 HMRs , 1 gets shot and hardley ever cleaned. It has proly 4-5 bricks through it, still drives tacks. The other gets cleaned every brick or so,weather it needed it or not.
Can't remember how many rounds my 17-204 has, without cleaning...
Back to the 17 Rem.....
Rusty, there are 2 main things that will cause keyholeing on a proven rifle, Fouling or it's shot out. You should be good after your cleaning.
Good luck !
"snakes " work for knocking a little crude out now and then, BUT they are NOT a maitnence cleaning tool.
I've got 2 HMRs , 1 gets shot and hardley ever cleaned. It has proly 4-5 bricks through it, still drives tacks. The other gets cleaned every brick or so,weather it needed it or not.
Can't remember how many rounds my 17-204 has, without cleaning...
Back to the 17 Rem.....
Rusty, there are 2 main things that will cause keyholeing on a proven rifle, Fouling or it's shot out. You should be good after your cleaning.
Good luck !
Rustydust
Active member
Again guys, thanks for all the the help. I had things to do today so I did not make it back to the range but I am almost certain that the gun will once again shoot like it did before. Before it finally came clean I had so many blue patches scattered on my garage floor it looked like a Smurf had exploded.
I will be going back to the range in a day or two to try my sweetie out again. I will let you all know how she is doing. Hopefully I will be falling in love all over again. Not that I really fell out of love to start out with.
Oh, and I still just reek of Montana X-Treme copper killer. I cant get the smell off me. Two showers and two change of clothes and I still smell it. I just about forgot why I quit using it a few years ago. It does work but phew! Pungent is hardly an adequate description.
I will be going back to the range in a day or two to try my sweetie out again. I will let you all know how she is doing. Hopefully I will be falling in love all over again. Not that I really fell out of love to start out with.
Oh, and I still just reek of Montana X-Treme copper killer. I cant get the smell off me. Two showers and two change of clothes and I still smell it. I just about forgot why I quit using it a few years ago. It does work but phew! Pungent is hardly an adequate description.
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGReading this thread just kicked my PTSD into high gear. Right now I'm hiding under my bed shaking with a bottle of Montana Xtreme in one hand and a bag of patches clutched tightly in the other. If you need to talk about it, I'm here for you bro.
I see you have that "I'm Coming Apart " smoke on that one. I'll have to look around for my battleship target..LOL
Greg
I see you have that "I'm Coming Apart " smoke on that one. I'll have to look around for my battleship target..LOL
Greg
dan brothers
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Rusty.... I could smell something... I think that odor was even coming through your post.
Rustydust
Active member
Originally Posted By: dan brothersRusty.... I could smell something... I think that odor was even coming through your post.
Well, it could have been worse. Could have gone out for Mexican food after I got through cleaning the guns. Wow. Talk about a for certain lethal combo that would have been!
Well, it could have been worse. Could have gone out for Mexican food after I got through cleaning the guns. Wow. Talk about a for certain lethal combo that would have been!
Originally Posted By: RustydustOriginally Posted By: dan brothersRusty.... I could smell something... I think that odor was even coming through your post.
Well, it could have been worse. Could have gone out for Mexican food after I got through cleaning the guns. Wow. Talk about a for certain lethal combo that would have been!
Careful there...caustic solvents and methane gasses can/will combust!
Well, it could have been worse. Could have gone out for Mexican food after I got through cleaning the guns. Wow. Talk about a for certain lethal combo that would have been!
Careful there...caustic solvents and methane gasses can/will combust!
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGReading this thread just kicked my PTSD into high gear. Right now I'm hiding under my bed shaking with a bottle of Montana Xtreme in one hand and a bag of patches clutched tightly in the other. If you need to talk about it, I'm here for you bro.
At least it's fairly accurate!!!!!!
At least it's fairly accurate!!!!!!