Latest Update from NFA Branch of ATF on Forms

Rangerwalker71

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I received this from the NFA Branch of ATF about processing forms.

This is what we have heard as of the end of March.


They are back logged a total of 101,000ish of all Forms in a pending status.
Form 3's are approximately 3 weeks behind in getting entered by Data Entry (this is the first step, once it happens is when you can call and they can tell you the status of your pending forms).
Form3's are all over the place as far as return times. Colonial Armory is seeing 30-90days. We just received a packet from the ATF with approved Forms from DEC, Jan and some into Feb.
Form 4's and Form 1's are approximately two months behind on getting entered.
All examiners are working all Forms currently, and working OT. For those of you unfamiliar, typically examiners are assigned to a specific type of Form.
ATF 41P/41F --AS LONG AS YOU HAVE YOUR CUSTOMERS PAPERWORK DATED AND SUBMITTED BEFORE THE JULY 13TH DEADLINE THEY ARE GOOD TO GO!!!!! PLEASE DO NOT PANIC!
If any of you would like to read the entire ATF ruling it is available for download at
https://www.atf.gov/file/100896/download


Hope this helps. I am told that As long as your Form 4's are post marked by the 14th of July you are good to go. The NFA Branch seems to be following the IRS's lead with post mark not pending status.
 
I've got to get my stuff going. I'm thinking about selling an 1898 30-40 Krag that I have so that I can get this whole thing started. Any takers? LOL
 
My Dead Air Ghost went pending on the Form 3 transfer January 12th, dealer I bought it from didn't receive the approval until April 4th. All my other cans had their Form 3's approved within four weeks, except for one that took six weeks. I don't understand why Form 3's should really take much time at all. I try not to pass judgement on things where I don't know the full details but it sure seems like a whole lot of unnecessary "BS" to me.

Steve, or anyone for that matter, do you know what the whole process is once the BATF receives a Form 4 and why it takes so long for the fine folks there to approve it??

Something else that puzzles me is why, once you've had multiple Form 4's approved, does it need to take as long to do all the background checks or whatever it is they do at the BATF to approve a persons Form 4 on the proceeding items you submit a Form 4 for. Maybe they should come up with some kind of permit/license a person can apply for that would do a full body cavity search and more extensive background check so we could expedite our Form 4.
 
how does the form 3 wait times effect most of us? that is only dealer to dealer right? if a guy buys and in stock can aren't they just waiting on a form 4?
 
Originally Posted By: B23
Something else that puzzles me is why, once you've had multiple Form 4's approved, does it need to take as long to do all the background checks or whatever it is they do at the BATF to approve a persons Form 4 on the proceeding items you submit a Form 4 for. Maybe they should come up with some kind of permit/license a person can apply for that would do a full body cavity search and more extensive background check so we could expedite our Form 4.

Kinda seems that this is how it should be. If I have a CCW for a weapon that will actually throw a projectile, why such a fuss over a tube that can't?
 
i think a lot of it has to do with just being put on the bottom of the stack.


i do agree that there should be a fast track pile for folks who have had a stamp approved within a set period of time recently. lets call it a year for arguments sake - although i doubt in the real world they'd let it stretch that long. but those are the folks who should be able to go through a basic NICS type check for approval to make sure there's no drastic changes in their legal status that would prevent ownership and then just get rubber stamped.


i'm going to speculate and say that with the new EFORMS system that's coming out - we may see something like this happen in the future. It appears that they're trying to streamline the process, at least on the dealer end for Form3's for starters. And with the changes with 41f allowing photo's of the "responsible party" to be on file for a 2 year period after approval, its not a stretch to see that down the road this would be a logical next step.
 
better question is why are suppressors still NFA items.

I would love to see the reasoning for that one.. It doesn't leave a mark on the bullet. It's basically a muffler. So why the same paper work as if i am buying something that actually shoots?

I get that it was from when Progressives were in control the last time, but come on, it's time to fix that.
 
i agree completely there - unfortunatly we still have a major progressive sitting on top of the pile who can and would veto. they'd have to rider it on a must-pass type of thing to get it through at this point.


one more reason this election is important *sigh*
 
well, they are also making $200 a pop hand over fist with a waiting period.

Take the suppressors off and the wait time from ATF might be a few hours.
But, that would then reduce the number of people needed, so of course they won't do it. (less money and less staff is an automatic NO way)
 
Originally Posted By: Rich1Originally Posted By: B23
Something else that puzzles me is why, once you've had multiple Form 4's approved, does it need to take as long to do all the background checks or whatever it is they do at the BATF to approve a persons Form 4 on the proceeding items you submit a Form 4 for. Maybe they should come up with some kind of permit/license a person can apply for that would do a full body cavity search and more extensive background check so we could expedite our Form 4.

Kinda seems that this is how it should be. If I have a CCW for a weapon that will actually throw a projectile, why such a fuss over a tube that can't?

Not that this applies the this particular scenario, but I have seen a felon with a CCW before. Got the CCW, then committed a felony. Never turner in his card. He tried using it as an ID even for a 4473. It was a quick DENIED from NICS
 
Originally Posted By: Smokin250Originally Posted By: Rich1Originally Posted By: B23
Something else that puzzles me is why, once you've had multiple Form 4's approved, does it need to take as long to do all the background checks or whatever it is they do at the BATF to approve a persons Form 4 on the proceeding items you submit a Form 4 for. Maybe they should come up with some kind of permit/license a person can apply for that would do a full body cavity search and more extensive background check so we could expedite our Form 4.

Kinda seems that this is how it should be. If I have a CCW for a weapon that will actually throw a projectile, why such a fuss over a tube that can't?

Not that this applies the this particular scenario, but I have seen a felon with a CCW before. Got the CCW, then committed a felony. Never turner in his card. He tried using it as an ID even for a 4473. It was a quick DENIED from NICS

And when it was denied, was he arrested for trying to buy a firearm. If not then why have a background check because I bet he went somewhere else and stoled one or head someone buy it for him.

Background checks are nothing but harassment of honest citizens wanting to own a Firearm.
 
ya, well remember that before congress they admitted they only prosecute like 1% of those that try and shouldn't buy a gun and know they shouldn't.
 
I have no idea what happened to him after the fact. I have seen several people get denied while working at gun shop a few years ago. But that was one of the ones that opened my eyes. I have only had one where they asked me where the buyer was currently.
 
Originally Posted By: Smokin250I have no idea what happened to him after the fact. I have seen several people get denied while working at gun shop a few years ago. But that was one of the ones that opened my eyes. I have only had one where they asked me where the buyer was currently.


I have only had 1 person get denied for a purchase of a firearm.
He went on his way, never had any one ask any thing else.
In his case it was a old charge that he fought and got it cleared. Took like 2 yrs.
 
Yeah, we had a few people that had old charges that finally got cleaned up. However I have seen several denies. Like I said one was really bad. They kept me on hold forever then cam back with an immediate deny. And actually asked where I was, and if buyer was still there. Found out later through some other people this individual had some serious felonies.

Majority of the denies I have seen were originally given to further review, then put on hold. Then NICS would call back with a deny sometime later.

I always wondered what the reason was.


My favorite of all time....and I cannot make this up.

Individual comes in to buy a gun. Gets put on hold. He leaves, we get the call from NICS, DENY. ok no problem. Guy comes back to check on it. We tell him he's denied. Of course they are shocked. They asked us why, we say well any number of things including domestic violence....ect. He says "I only hit that girl once!! This is BU_______" It took me a second to pick my jaw off the floor as he left.

I tell people all the time, working at a gun shop for 3+ years was one of the wilder things I have ever done. Between the crazies at gun shows, and the ones that occasionally visit the shop, I could write books. Ive seen darn near everything.
 


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