HunterBear71
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Driving under the influence would still be illegal. No one drinks 40 oz malt liquor to 'enjoy the flavor'. I am sure some marijuana connoisseurs do indeed enjoy the smoke like a fine cigar.
Legalize Marijuana?
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jumprightinit
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Originally Posted By: HunterBear71Driving under the influence would still be illegal. No one drinks 40 oz malt liquor to 'enjoy the flavor'. I am sure some marijuana connoisseurs do indeed enjoy the smoke like a fine cigar.
I'd almost bet that there a plenty of people in the Seattle 'district' that enjoy the flavor of a 40 ouncer. Probably be hard to find someone that likes the flavor of peyote so would it be OK to make that legal?
"I am sure some marijuana connoisseurs do indeed enjoy the smoke like a fine cigar." Just how sure are you of that
I'd almost bet that there a plenty of people in the Seattle 'district' that enjoy the flavor of a 40 ouncer. Probably be hard to find someone that likes the flavor of peyote so would it be OK to make that legal?
"I am sure some marijuana connoisseurs do indeed enjoy the smoke like a fine cigar." Just how sure are you of that
Tackdriver
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I dont like marijuana but what I like less is government getting in the business of others. I also dont like special interests putting the whole nation over a barrel, and in this case, Ive heard the beer and alcohol companies pushed to make marijuana illegal at the federal level.
Government cant just say "I want this to be illegal" and have folks go on thier happy way without question. In the case of marijuana, the side effects of making it illegal have been way worse than just keeping it legal. We've tried over and over to legislate morality. It doenst work. And it kinda flies in the face of freedom when you get right down to it. Prohibition should have taught us that. It would be far better to educate and let ADULTS make INFORMED CHOICES rather than to fight this never ending war on weed. Which by the way, we've essentially lost. After billions spent.
You cant control the quality of an illegal product. Folks buy what they can on the "street" and God knows whats in it. This causes issues. I think legalization would give agriculture a much-needed boost. Why import this stuff by the running ton from countries like Mexico when we can grow it here, control the quality, the distribution chain (no minors) etc???
The other thing is this: Ever been in a cancer ward? I have and it aint pretty. Weed is one of the few things that can offset the effects of chemo. Seen that up close first hand. A lot of folks have to have thier friends smuggle in weed, the nurses and docs have to turn a blind eye when the patients "step outside". And Ive seen good church-going upright folks who never so much as took 3 excedrin hit the pipe hard for relief. After the drugs the docs prescribed didnt work and the one thing they could not legally prescribe did. So now you've got Mom asking her daughter to run out and score some weed and please dont get caught and please dont get takin in by a drug-deal culture you know nothing about. And do it in a hurry.
So while I make the informed choice not to smoke it, I do see some rationale behind making it legal.
Government cant just say "I want this to be illegal" and have folks go on thier happy way without question. In the case of marijuana, the side effects of making it illegal have been way worse than just keeping it legal. We've tried over and over to legislate morality. It doenst work. And it kinda flies in the face of freedom when you get right down to it. Prohibition should have taught us that. It would be far better to educate and let ADULTS make INFORMED CHOICES rather than to fight this never ending war on weed. Which by the way, we've essentially lost. After billions spent.
You cant control the quality of an illegal product. Folks buy what they can on the "street" and God knows whats in it. This causes issues. I think legalization would give agriculture a much-needed boost. Why import this stuff by the running ton from countries like Mexico when we can grow it here, control the quality, the distribution chain (no minors) etc???
The other thing is this: Ever been in a cancer ward? I have and it aint pretty. Weed is one of the few things that can offset the effects of chemo. Seen that up close first hand. A lot of folks have to have thier friends smuggle in weed, the nurses and docs have to turn a blind eye when the patients "step outside". And Ive seen good church-going upright folks who never so much as took 3 excedrin hit the pipe hard for relief. After the drugs the docs prescribed didnt work and the one thing they could not legally prescribe did. So now you've got Mom asking her daughter to run out and score some weed and please dont get caught and please dont get takin in by a drug-deal culture you know nothing about. And do it in a hurry.
So while I make the informed choice not to smoke it, I do see some rationale behind making it legal.
No that would'nt be a good idea at all.People who smoke it are dumb.Anyone who smokes it will tell you that it does'nt kill brain cells just to try and make it seem like its not that bad.I know kids my age that smoke it all the time and their dumber than a box of crap and you can tell that it has had an affect on them.They will also tell you that its not addictive.Well ok why do they blow $50 to $100 on it at a time then?I aint buying that one either.And another reason it should'nt be legalized is because more than likely kids will start smoking it and move onto harder drugs like meth or cocaine.And I know for a fact that does happen alot because every kid I know thats smoked marijuana experimented with cocaine,meth,shrooms,speed,extecy and its hard tellin what else.I hate anyone that does drugs with a passion.I've never smoked dope and I never will.So no I dont think it should be legal.There are too many idiots in this country the way it is.Our president used to smoke marijuana alot in his younger days from what I hear.Need I say more?
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The only way I could agree with it is when people who have cancer and things like that smoke marijuana.I realize that some people with cancer and other illnesses smoke pot because they can't deal with the pain their going through.But people that do it just to see how messed up they can get are idiots and I stay as far away from people like that as I can.There is just no sense in that at all.
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Let me tell you all something,There are alot more people smoking it than you think.People that are your friends, family, and church goers that you would swear weren't doing it are!Alot of people selling it also that you wouldn't believe.They all don't act like Cheech and Chong and they are not all stupid stoners either.
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Jeff Mock
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First of all, I am against the legalization of Marihuana. If it was ever legalized, you would have a very difficult time enforcing or better yet, detecting whether or not someone in the "workplace" has been smoking it. If a person has been driking, you can at least smell it on their person. A urine test will also reveal whether a person has been drinking if there is any doubt. After about 8 hours, the alcohol has passed through the system, so if the employee is NOT under the influence of alcohol, it will also show that as well.
Marihuana, while burning, does have a very distict smell, but once it has been ingested by smoking, or inside of food products, it is very difficult to detect. THC remains in your system for around 30 days after ingested, which is one of the reasons it is so easy to detect.
If it is legal, and the guy goes in for a drug test, and hasn't ingested marihuana for a week, he will still have a positive result for THC within his system.
The legal implications are pretty large.
The end result would be people working next to you, or driving on the freeways next to you under the influence of Marihuana. Afterall, it is now legal, so how would the utilzation of Marihuana be controled within the work place.
I am not saying it is better or worse for you than alcohol. I am simply saying that it most certainly has serious effect on people, especially if the THC content is exttremely high, and you can rest assured, that if legalized, the best is what everyone would want.
Perhaps medical Marihuana has it's place. I have heard and seen some very good benefits of it's use; however, forcasual use, I would have to vote no.
Marihuana, while burning, does have a very distict smell, but once it has been ingested by smoking, or inside of food products, it is very difficult to detect. THC remains in your system for around 30 days after ingested, which is one of the reasons it is so easy to detect.
If it is legal, and the guy goes in for a drug test, and hasn't ingested marihuana for a week, he will still have a positive result for THC within his system.
The legal implications are pretty large.
The end result would be people working next to you, or driving on the freeways next to you under the influence of Marihuana. Afterall, it is now legal, so how would the utilzation of Marihuana be controled within the work place.
I am not saying it is better or worse for you than alcohol. I am simply saying that it most certainly has serious effect on people, especially if the THC content is exttremely high, and you can rest assured, that if legalized, the best is what everyone would want.
Perhaps medical Marihuana has it's place. I have heard and seen some very good benefits of it's use; however, forcasual use, I would have to vote no.
ExpertMarksman
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In a perfect world users of a future legalized MJ would not:
1) drive under the influence.
2) attempt to work under the influence
3) make babies they could not support while under the influence
4) "gateway" to other drugs
5) make drug dependent babies after moving to other drugs
6) always have enough legitamately earned money to buy their dope (ie. never have to steal) even after paying these new wonderful taxes!
7) have enough money left over for food and other necessities
If you can convince me of all SEVEN of those points ......
........ I'll listen more.
Til' then ........ I DO NOT support legalization of pot!
The lill' mouse in me pocket tells me that after all those taxes are "collected" ......
........ and the PAYOUTS for social services are done .......
....... THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG FINANCIAL HOLE ....... left.
Three 44s
1) drive under the influence.
2) attempt to work under the influence
3) make babies they could not support while under the influence
4) "gateway" to other drugs
5) make drug dependent babies after moving to other drugs
6) always have enough legitamately earned money to buy their dope (ie. never have to steal) even after paying these new wonderful taxes!
7) have enough money left over for food and other necessities
If you can convince me of all SEVEN of those points ......
........ I'll listen more.
Til' then ........ I DO NOT support legalization of pot!
The lill' mouse in me pocket tells me that after all those taxes are "collected" ......
........ and the PAYOUTS for social services are done .......
....... THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG FINANCIAL HOLE ....... left.
Three 44s
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HunterBear71
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Those seven points are legitimate reasons for caution in legalization. They are also valid points for the prohibition of alcohol. People are using marijuana at a prodigious rate in this country and have been doing so for some time. We can certainly continue to criminilize a large section of society and pay enormous costs for the enforcement of these laws. I personally have no dog in the fight. I do believe that medical marijuana is the only humane treatment for certain serious and terminal conditions.
all 7 of those points are already happening with it being illegal.
When I think about the sorts of things that I think people should be jailed over, simply possessing or smoking pot, lacking any other actual offense such as theft, property or personal damage to another, etc, just ain't one of them.
There are too many people out there doing things that are real problems that need to be locked up for me to get bent out of shape over pot.
When I think about the sorts of things that I think people should be jailed over, simply possessing or smoking pot, lacking any other actual offense such as theft, property or personal damage to another, etc, just ain't one of them.
There are too many people out there doing things that are real problems that need to be locked up for me to get bent out of shape over pot.
All 7 points are happening even though its illegal I agree with that.But if it was legal it would happen alot more because it would be easier to get.Marijuana would still have the same affect on people the only difference would be that they could go into any store that sales cigerettes or chewing tobacco and buy it just as easily.
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azmastablasta
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Good point Stu,our jails are so overcrowded now that judges frequently order mass releases of prisoners.And guess who the first to go are.We spend way to much money trying to stop marijuana traffic now, to no avail. Our LEO's are overburdened with chasing the menial mj sellers and users, when their time could be spent on more important matters.If it were legalized and taxed there would be required some increase in clerical type employees,However these would not be as expensive as LEOs.Maybe, as some have suggested,it would not be a money making proposition for the gov't,that remains unseen.It wouldn't be likely to be much different than the case involving alcohol.I know the gov't collects untold millions in revenue there.And still to this day,people do make and sell illicit moonshine,the enforcement costs are greatly reduced from prohibition days.
The biggest problem here is that people seem to want to prevent other people from experiencing their own pleasures in their own way.I also have no dog in this fight,I wouldn't smoke it if it were free.I tried it a few times 40 years ago and found that I hated the lethargic feeling,I prefer to remain in total control of my senses.Same with alcohol,I enjoy a beer or two with the boys,but do not like its effects in excess amounts.I have NO patience with drunks,don't think they're funny and will not associate with them. The problem is I don't have the right,nor does this gov't nor do you, to tell anyone how to spend their time and what they can or can not do,UNLESS,it causes harm to me or someone else.
Alcohol is legal,yet people die everyday from it's effects on them or someone else.Marijuana is consumed daily,probably in similar amounts as alcohol.We will never stop it anymore than we were able to stop alcohol.Our gov't proves everyday that they are out to control every aspect of our lives,and I am fed up with it.It's very easy to fall in line and think we have the right to control others lives ourselves.We don't.
The biggest problem here is that people seem to want to prevent other people from experiencing their own pleasures in their own way.I also have no dog in this fight,I wouldn't smoke it if it were free.I tried it a few times 40 years ago and found that I hated the lethargic feeling,I prefer to remain in total control of my senses.Same with alcohol,I enjoy a beer or two with the boys,but do not like its effects in excess amounts.I have NO patience with drunks,don't think they're funny and will not associate with them. The problem is I don't have the right,nor does this gov't nor do you, to tell anyone how to spend their time and what they can or can not do,UNLESS,it causes harm to me or someone else.
Alcohol is legal,yet people die everyday from it's effects on them or someone else.Marijuana is consumed daily,probably in similar amounts as alcohol.We will never stop it anymore than we were able to stop alcohol.Our gov't proves everyday that they are out to control every aspect of our lives,and I am fed up with it.It's very easy to fall in line and think we have the right to control others lives ourselves.We don't.
NM Leon
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It's difficult to predict what the result of legalization would be in the U.S.
There haven't been the predicted disasters in the Netherlands and Switzerland (for instance) with drug legalization, but the circumstances are different enough that their experiences may or may not pertain to us if we tried it.
In the Netherlands, they found pot usage stayed about the same (legal at 16). Most people tried it a few times and then stopped using it.
In Switzerland (Zurich I think?) they actually gave (almost) heroin away to addicts. They had to register and get their fixes in a clinic, but it was free or nearly so. They also offered treatment for anyone who wanted it. They found that many of the addicts decided to go the treatment route and get clean.
I know from talking to kids, that in most places it's easier for them to get drugs than it is for them to get alcohol. The booze they usually have to convince an adult to buy for them, the dope they can get themselves.
There haven't been the predicted disasters in the Netherlands and Switzerland (for instance) with drug legalization, but the circumstances are different enough that their experiences may or may not pertain to us if we tried it.
In the Netherlands, they found pot usage stayed about the same (legal at 16). Most people tried it a few times and then stopped using it.
In Switzerland (Zurich I think?) they actually gave (almost) heroin away to addicts. They had to register and get their fixes in a clinic, but it was free or nearly so. They also offered treatment for anyone who wanted it. They found that many of the addicts decided to go the treatment route and get clean.
I know from talking to kids, that in most places it's easier for them to get drugs than it is for them to get alcohol. The booze they usually have to convince an adult to buy for them, the dope they can get themselves.
I'm going to bring up another point and then be done with it.Its pretty safe to say that we could all agree that there is no harm in someone smoking pot if they have cancer or some other illness if it helps ease their pain.But thats already legal in this country,maybe not in every state though I dont know.I dont know all of the laws that go along with that certain situation but I know that people that have certain illnesses are sometimes prescribed marijuana.And I'm pretty sure that if pot was legalized in this country it would'nt be helpful to anyone except the dopeheads that are tired of worrying about gettin caught for buying it.
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yote_hunter_union
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I think that it should be legal. There are millions of people that smoke herb everyday.
Prohibition has failed to control the use and domestic production of marijuana. Law enforcement has more important responsibilities than arresting over 750,000 individuals a year for marijuana possession, especially given the additional justice costs of disposing of each of these cases. Marijuana arrests make justice more expensive and less efficient in the United States, wasting jail space, clogging up court systems, and diverting time of police, attorneys, judges, and corrections officials away from violent crime, the sexual abuse of children, and terrorism.
A regulated, legal market in marijuana would reduce marijuana sales and use among teenagers, as well as reduce their exposure to other drugs in the illegal market. The illegality of marijuana makes it more valuable than if it were legal, providing opportunities for teenagers to make easy money selling it to their friends. If the excessive profits for marijuana sales were ended through legalization there would be less incentive for teens to sell it to one another.
Everyone agrees that marijuana, or any other drug use such as alcohol or tobacco use, is not for children.
Marijuana is not a lethal drug and is safer than alcohol. It is established scientific fact that marijuana is not toxic to humans; marijuana overdoses are nearly impossible, and marijuana is not nearly as addictive as alcohol or tobacco. It is unfair and unjust to treat marijuana users more harshly under the law than the users of alcohol or tobacco.
Legalized marijuana would reduce the flow of money from the American economy to international criminal gangs.
Ryan
Prohibition has failed to control the use and domestic production of marijuana. Law enforcement has more important responsibilities than arresting over 750,000 individuals a year for marijuana possession, especially given the additional justice costs of disposing of each of these cases. Marijuana arrests make justice more expensive and less efficient in the United States, wasting jail space, clogging up court systems, and diverting time of police, attorneys, judges, and corrections officials away from violent crime, the sexual abuse of children, and terrorism.
A regulated, legal market in marijuana would reduce marijuana sales and use among teenagers, as well as reduce their exposure to other drugs in the illegal market. The illegality of marijuana makes it more valuable than if it were legal, providing opportunities for teenagers to make easy money selling it to their friends. If the excessive profits for marijuana sales were ended through legalization there would be less incentive for teens to sell it to one another.
Everyone agrees that marijuana, or any other drug use such as alcohol or tobacco use, is not for children.
Marijuana is not a lethal drug and is safer than alcohol. It is established scientific fact that marijuana is not toxic to humans; marijuana overdoses are nearly impossible, and marijuana is not nearly as addictive as alcohol or tobacco. It is unfair and unjust to treat marijuana users more harshly under the law than the users of alcohol or tobacco.
Legalized marijuana would reduce the flow of money from the American economy to international criminal gangs.
Ryan
Thats a shame to hear that there are million of people in this country that insist on doing things that are illegal and a waste of time.
Apparently law enforcement does'nt have better things to do because arresting people that do illegal things is their job.Smoking marijuana is illegal.
Legalizing marijuana would'nt reduce the use of marijuana it would make it easier.I've chewed tobacco since I was 14 years old.The legal age is 18 for buying tobacco in this country but I did'nt really care that much.Why would marijuana be any different if it was legal?And if anything they'll do other drugs like meth,cocaine,speed ect once they did try mairjuana if anything.Trust me I've seen that happen more than once.In fact everyone that I know that has smoked pot has tryed other drugs just to see what that was like.Its a gateway drug and thats just the way it is.If it was'nt worse than alcohol it would'nt be illegal.And if it is'nt as lethal I would'nt think it would be worth anyones time because it would'nt do as much for them.So if it is'nt as addictive why do people spend that much money on it at a time?It seems to me they would go with the alcohol thats much less expensive and much less illegal and get hammered drunk instead of spending alot of money and getting just a little stoned with that "healthy" marijuana stuff.
And last but not least there would still be gangs and they would just sale cocaine instead of marijuana.They'd probably just raise their prices on it.Just something to think about I guess.It does'nt really matter because I seriously doubt marijuana or any other drug will be legal in our life time.
Apparently law enforcement does'nt have better things to do because arresting people that do illegal things is their job.Smoking marijuana is illegal.
Legalizing marijuana would'nt reduce the use of marijuana it would make it easier.I've chewed tobacco since I was 14 years old.The legal age is 18 for buying tobacco in this country but I did'nt really care that much.Why would marijuana be any different if it was legal?And if anything they'll do other drugs like meth,cocaine,speed ect once they did try mairjuana if anything.Trust me I've seen that happen more than once.In fact everyone that I know that has smoked pot has tryed other drugs just to see what that was like.Its a gateway drug and thats just the way it is.If it was'nt worse than alcohol it would'nt be illegal.And if it is'nt as lethal I would'nt think it would be worth anyones time because it would'nt do as much for them.So if it is'nt as addictive why do people spend that much money on it at a time?It seems to me they would go with the alcohol thats much less expensive and much less illegal and get hammered drunk instead of spending alot of money and getting just a little stoned with that "healthy" marijuana stuff.
And last but not least there would still be gangs and they would just sale cocaine instead of marijuana.They'd probably just raise their prices on it.Just something to think about I guess.It does'nt really matter because I seriously doubt marijuana or any other drug will be legal in our life time.
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yote_hunter_union
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Quote:Legalizing marijuana would'nt reduce the use of marijuana it would make it easier
How can you be sure? Its already alot easyer to get then alochol. The reason why is because drug dealers sell it they dont care who they sell it to as long as there making there money.
Quote:And if anything they'll do other drugs like meth,cocaine,speed ect once they did try mairjuana if anything
Thats not true, I smoked everyday for about two years and have never ever even thought of trying hard drugs, do I smoke anymore? No I don't, I got arrested for it.
Quote: So if it is'nt as addictive why do people spend that much money on it at a time?
Theres differnt grades, the higher the grade, the more thc, the better the high, the less you have to smoke to get your high
How can you be sure? Its already alot easyer to get then alochol. The reason why is because drug dealers sell it they dont care who they sell it to as long as there making there money.
Quote:And if anything they'll do other drugs like meth,cocaine,speed ect once they did try mairjuana if anything
Thats not true, I smoked everyday for about two years and have never ever even thought of trying hard drugs, do I smoke anymore? No I don't, I got arrested for it.
Quote: So if it is'nt as addictive why do people spend that much money on it at a time?
Theres differnt grades, the higher the grade, the more thc, the better the high, the less you have to smoke to get your high
I can be sure because it would be easier to get.Never once have I met someone that sold pot.I would'nt know how to find someone that sold pot if I wanted to.But to get alcohol all I have to do is find someone that is 21 and I'll get some.Alcohol is really easy to get.I dont drink alcohol but I have friends that drink it all the time.None of them are 21 but they have friends that are.They aint gonna ask an adult because they know what kind of answer they'll get if they asked them to buy beer.Well even thats not true.I know a few parents that buy alcohol for their kids all the time.They would rather have them drink at home where they can watch them so they can be sure they wont be drinking and driving and whatnot.My friends hang out with those people alot.Not that their friends but because its free beer.
As for marijuana being a gateway drug.I'm just going by what I've seen.I just hope that everyone that I know that smokes marijuana every day gets arrested to
ne kid already has and he does'nt do that stuff anymore.Some people have to learn the hard way.But I'd say you got lucky that you did'nt get into harder drugs.Because every kid that I know that started smoking that stuff thought that doing shrooms would'nt be that big of a deal.Unfortunetly I've heard my brother was one of those people from other people.He better hope not because if I find out thats true I'll hit him so hard my nieces and nephews will be born with disabilities.
As for the grades of marijuana and the prices.I dont even know about that business.Dont really want to either.
As for marijuana being a gateway drug.I'm just going by what I've seen.I just hope that everyone that I know that smokes marijuana every day gets arrested to
ne kid already has and he does'nt do that stuff anymore.Some people have to learn the hard way.But I'd say you got lucky that you did'nt get into harder drugs.Because every kid that I know that started smoking that stuff thought that doing shrooms would'nt be that big of a deal.Unfortunetly I've heard my brother was one of those people from other people.He better hope not because if I find out thats true I'll hit him so hard my nieces and nephews will be born with disabilities.As for the grades of marijuana and the prices.I dont even know about that business.Dont really want to either.
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MOFarmBoy
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Folks, I don't smoke the stuff or know anyone that OPENLY does. And up to this point, I haven't seen the need to legalize it.
However, when I see videos like the following, I feel I need to seriously reconsider my position.
If cops in Columbia, MISSOURI (Not LA or Chicago or Detroit) can break into a home, shoot pets, and terrorize women and children because of some suspected pot in the house, something is wrong. This has to stop. What is wrong with people?
However, when I see videos like the following, I feel I need to seriously reconsider my position.
If cops in Columbia, MISSOURI (Not LA or Chicago or Detroit) can break into a home, shoot pets, and terrorize women and children because of some suspected pot in the house, something is wrong. This has to stop. What is wrong with people?