Thanks for the replies Gents,
I went to check out all of the new rangefinders in cabelas, looked though them all but the leicas were the best, and the red dot is so much handier than black cross hairs...well needless to say I cannot afford those beautiful pieces of glass, especialy at this time of the year, to make a long story short my wife gave me money for a rangefinder for christmas and I got the Leica for 251.00 on ebay (still in box) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif