Les Baer .204

Originally Posted By: GLShooterOriginally Posted By: steve garrettOriginally Posted By: pyscodog1/4, 1/2 doesn't much matter, still a lot of money.

this is funny. umm YES it does matter and just because your AR 15 shot a few 1/2" groups does not make it in fact a .5" gun. I know people like to talk a bunch of crap about how great their gun shoots. The problem for an AR 15 is you can't load the gun the same way you load for a bolt gun. That is the key to consistent sub .5

Please explain why I can't load an AR like a bolt gun. Do you think very group out of a good bolt gun will always be 0.5 MOA every time?

Care to expound on this with your plethora of knowledge for the unwashed?

Greg


so what your insinuating is that AR 15's are just as accurate of a platform as bolt guns, maybe you should tell all the people with expensive bat machine and stolle actions to sell them, I mean after all a stripped blemished upper and lower can be had for all of $100 combined.

greg, its hard to tell you anything because you know it ALL already. quite simply the reason you can't load the same, (which you are saying you can) is because an AR 15 will not function if loaded the same way a bench rest shooter loads. Most bolt action bench rest shooters loading for accuracy neck size their brass. Most neck turn their brass with tight chambers, chambers that WILL NOT work in an auto loading rifle. I have never head of a guy shooting neck turned brass from an AR 15, when it wasn't for the sole purpose of thinning the neck down because they formed it form something else. while it is doable to shoot neck turned brass for one thing no one is doing it with an ar 15 and for 2 it would be a waste because your not able to use a chamber tight enough to use all of the accuracy puzzle for hand loading.

the other reason is seating depth many bolt action bench rest shooters load with varying degrees of contact with the lands, They seat a bullet, firmly or jammed into the lands or touching the lands. CANT DO THAT WITH AN AR.

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I guess you've never had access to a high quality custom built AR. Turned necks, short throats that are custom cut to reach the lands at magazine length, minimal chambers with minimal shoulder bump on the cases, superb triggers, great glass, adjustable gas blocks for tuning and proper rifle support. All found on my competition ARs.

Go back to your wannabe world. You aren't ready to step up into the 21st century.

Greg

 
Originally Posted By: steve garrettOriginally Posted By: pyscodog1/4, 1/2 doesn't much matter, still a lot of money.

this is funny. umm YES it does matter and just because your AR 15 shot a few 1/2" groups does not make it in fact a .5" gun.

How do you think Les Baer's guarantee works? You can be certain it's NOT a guarantee any Joe-Jack Hairnut with a can of surplus ammo can fire 1/2" groups all day every day. If the rifle does it ONCE, most likely from a fixture, with the ONE load it was designed to shoot, he can stand up on his guarantee. I've seen that happen too many times with precision guarantees - he11, look at the Wby Vanguards - "guaranteed 1MOA," but they ship the target with the rifle from factory which ensures no one could ever actually submit a claim against it - pre-emptive provenance. Doesn't matter if the shooter can replicate anything like that in the field or at the range, or with any other load. Ruger and Remington both - with much looser accuracy standards - both remove the rifle from the stock and fire it from a fixture if you ever sent one in with accuracy complaints, not anything you could replicate in the real world for any practical application.

It's not dubious or deceitful in any way, don't get me wrong, but accuracy guarantees mean very little. They can't guarantee or warranty your shooting ability, your support quality, nor ammo quality (or match to the rifle). It's only a guarantee the MANUFACTURER can do it, when the rifle bore is relatively new and in good shape, with ONE LOAD, on a LIMITED NUMBER OF TARGETS. Doesn't mean jackschitt for the buyer on the firing line except to know there's a lot of potential in the rifle.
 


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