Little kid bullies big kid

You both make good points.

Good old-fashioned fistfight between a couple boys who need to knock heads - not a major deal. Until one of them brings dad's nine the next day and "busts a cap in" the other one. That's the problem I was trying to point out. Kids feel the need to escalate things above the scuffle. Why? Who knows. TV and movies? Violent video games? Pervasive gangsta culture? All the above?

woodguru, you're right about bulllying vs. a regular ol' fight. I think GC and I kinda headed off a little. Bullying should not be tolerated in any form. That's where the mostly ridiculous zero tolerance policies can do some good. The problem is they take away the adults' ability to apply reason to a situation so that a little playground scuffle or fingernail clippers get treated the same as terrorist attack.
 
Originally Posted By: DesertRamYou both make good points.

Good old-fashioned fistfight between a couple boys who need to knock heads - not a major deal. Until one of them brings dad's nine the next day and "busts a cap in" the other one. That's the problem I was trying to point out. Kids feel the need to escalate things above the scuffle. Why? Who knows. TV and movies? Violent video games? Pervasive gangsta culture? All the above?



I'm guessing they don't like to lose and don't want to have to deal with the other one upping him. Just a guess.
 
Peer pressure, self doubt, plain old scared to fight but feel the need to end the threat, society saying it's all right to kill, just don't hurt the animals? Who knows.

I was teased for a long time because at first I was scarred. Not of the individual but of my mother and knowing what she could do to me.

A smashed loaf of bread when she didn't have the .39 cents to buy another loaf, slight pms and that fear changed from what she would do to me for fighting to what she would do to me if I backed down so I fully cooperated.. And I do mean full cooperation. Good old fist fight for the most part but a few cost quite a bit more. Dropping a kid on his face or head will harm them in unimaginable ways.

I fully condone beating the crap out of a bully but can not and will not condone extreme violence such as was seen in this video.

And yes, some do need to learn the hard way. It shows in thier actions...

This is my personal opinion and I don't care how much you trash me about it and tell me I am wrong, I won't submit to your bully tactics.
 
Having been one of the 'bigger' kids in my class from Kindergarten through 6th grade, I was always having to put up with smaller sized bullies...When I was 13, I was 6' and weighed 185, spent my summers in a hay field with older guys and all that stopped...Junior Varsity football gave me a chance for 'paybacks'...

My grandfather had a friend that had gotten in a fist fight on Main St in my home town many years earlier and being bigger than his opponent, had knocked him down easily, but the opponent had hit his head on a curbstone and died...Only the fact that there were plenty of witnesses on his behalf saved him from a jail sentence, but he was never the same, emotionally, after that...I was always cautioned from day one not to hit someone smaller than me, even if they started it, unless there were plenty of fair adult witnesses around..
 
An unsung hero in the video is the tall girl who stepped in when the second kid braced the chubby boy. She stepped right in there and probably saved further trouble for everybody.
 
Originally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: James Lindley

And yes, some do need to learn the hard way. It shows in thier actions...

This is my personal opinion and I don't care how much you trash me about it and tell me I am wrong, I won't submit to your bully tactics.

I hope you're not referring to me James. I have very strong feelings and opinions about bullying and it was instilled in me by my parents. If you felt that I was trying to bully you, I sincerely apologize, that definately wasn't my intention.


Chupa

Chupa, nope didn't mean you. You stated your opinion and I simply stated mine.. No harm no foul.
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kinda reminds of the scene from a christmas story when little ralphie hit his limit & beat the snot out of the bully
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this little kid doesn't strike me as all that bright, maybe he learned something from the experience.
 
Here's a pretty funny story for all the military guys here, I saw it as pretty humorous.

In basic training I was good at the pugal sticks and competitive physical challenge type stuff, I'd have been the fastest runner at all the different distances we ran but for a guy named Duran who was part jack rabbit part Watusi long distance runner.

So we are doing pugal sticks and I whupped up on the guy I was matched with, that should have been it for me but the TI says to a bigger guy to go up against me, and whip his butt he says. Being a training exercise there's a certain degree of restraint used against your training partner, you aren't totally kicking his butt, just letting them know what you can do. This guy starts getting angry and really trying to hurt me, so I started responding in kind and rocking him with some pretty vicious side and front snaps that had follow through. There was no getting out of this until the TI's said that's enough, it was on. One of the TI's was rooting for me, and the other obviously got annoyed when that TI was laughing and telling the other, my guy is kicking your guy's butt.

The one who started this bull said that's enough, give me that stick and head gear and came at me hard. I said I didn't want to do this and he said he wasn't asking me, I blocked the first three or four hits and didn't follow up as I could have, he kept getting harder. I figured if I actually responded this was going to be a seriously nasty fight that we were both going to get hurt, so I just quit and let him hit me thinking he'd quit when he saw I wasn't going to fight back. He roughed me up pretty good until one of the guys said this was %$cked up, cut it out and the other TI stepped in.

Most of the guys felt pretty sorry for me and said that this was totally out of line, a couple thought I should have fought back, but the others defended me and said there's no way I could do that.

He was a bully, he knew I wouldn't fight back if I knew what was good for me. The one TI did as good a job as he could keeping this guy off my back, he rode me pretty hard for most of the rest of basic training, but did let off toward the end.
 
Zero tolerance I believe is part of the problem. These kids getting bulleid avoid phisical contact bacause in schools now adays that is an automatic call to the police. The teachers don't straighten things out, not even the princaple, just the police. So these kids getting bullied let it build and build untill they say "F THIS, if I'm going down I'm going down big." and they bring weapons in.

If things could get hashed out in a series of small scuffles there would be fewer "complete boilovers" and poeple getting killed when they should have had their nose broken and then them being laughed at (it works, I've done it.)

I was never a bully, but I was never popular. Kids tried to bully on me several times, but I was raised to not allow it and in turn kids realized it was not going to be allowed by me.

Trying to prevent bullying is silly and possibly harmfull in my opinion. In one form or another people are going to face bullys or simular situations in their lives and kids need to learn how to keep on going. Bullys have been a part of everyones life, even in the animal kingdom there are bullys.

Some saying that come to mind... "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." "Don't give a man a fish, teach him how to fish."
 
Originally Posted By: Rock KnockerZero tolerance I believe is part of the problem. These kids getting bulleid avoid phisical contact bacause in schools now adays that is an automatic call to the police. The teachers don't straighten things out, not even the princaple, just the police. So these kids getting bullied let it build and build untill they say "F THIS, if I'm going down I'm going down big." and they bring weapons in.

If things could get hashed out in a series of small scuffles there would be fewer "complete boilovers" and poeple getting killed when they should have had their nose broken and then them being laughed at (it works, I've done it.)

I was never a bully, but I was never popular. Kids tried to bully on me several times, but I was raised to not allow it and in turn kids realized it was not going to be allowed by me.

Trying to prevent bullying is silly and possibly harmfull in my opinion. In one form or another people are going to face bullys or simular situations in their lives and kids need to learn how to keep on going. Bullys have been a part of everyones life, even in the animal kingdom there are bullys.

Some saying that come to mind... "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." "Don't give a man a fish, teach him how to fish."

You seem to be totally disconnected with what bullying is. A bully is constant nonstop crap every time the bully is around the person they are picking on. Because "everyone" as you say has seen it doesn't mean we have to continue to allow it. In 10th grade a total jerk of a kid on my school bus was hitting and picking on a little geeky nerd type sitting in the seat in front of me, I told the guy to knock it off. He told me to screw off, I told him to go ahead and hit the kid again, he did, and as he turned to me he caught a really nice one right on the cheekbone under his eye, it was good for a beauty of a two week shiner.

I got expelled for three days, my dad went to the school to pick me up and he told the principal the guy who was doing the initial bullying needed to be disciplined too, he said he was being expelled for two weeks which was part of why something had to be done with me.

This kid still had the remnants of his black eye when he came back to school, and it seemed like the whole school knew about the incident, a lot of people over the first few weeks treated him like the POS he was.

Funny thing, the bully drives a tow truck in Vacaville, the geeky nerd is a government computer whiz making a six figure income. Bullies are typically losers.

Zero tolerance has nothing to do with being any part of a problem where the bullying is concerned. Now the clothes thing and other aspects may be different stories.
 
I'm not entirely sure what you mean?

The bully got what was coming and he was laughed at...

Trying to eliminate oppression amongst kids is only going to eliminate kids learning that the FACT of life is they will suffer one form of oppression or another, then what will they do? Resort to unreasonable tactics when things boil over.

There's proof of it with the lack of any controled violence amongst kids and an over abundance of uncontrolled violence amongst adaults now-a-days.
 
Any of you guys ever get your butt kicked? I have given butt whippings and taken a few of my own also. And you know what? I don't wet the bed at night and turned out pretty well adjusted. There have been bullies since the beginning of time and I don't read about any school or workplace shootings in the old west or throughout most of the 20th century. So what changed along about the mid-90's to cause such a reoccurring phenomenon? One word would probably sum it up in my mind... anybody else want to express their ideas?
 
Little guy got what he deserved. I hate all bullies, I don't care what size they are. They need to to be taught the error of their ways. Big kid might have done him a favor, the next big guy might have killed him.
 
I dislike bulleis on a personal level. But looking back, learning how deal with bullies in school and later at work has taught me many, many good things. There isn't one I would go back and plead with them to not bully me.
 
I am not sure why what the big kid did is seen as extreme violence? He clearly didn't want to fight, probably didn't know how to fight. He did what he had to to make it stop.
 
Originally Posted By: coyotenutI am not sure why what the big kid did is seen as extreme violence? He clearly didn't want to fight, probably didn't know how to fight. He did what he had to to make it stop.

Yup I gree completely. I was somewhere close to the same age as these guys at the bus stop once. Got in a scuffle, don't even remember why. After a little rolling on the groung I picked him up and dropped him. We were the same size and it seemed like the most intimidating thing to do without kicking the kid in the head.
 
Originally Posted By: GCAny of you guys ever get your butt kicked? I have given butt whippings and taken a few of my own also. And you know what? I don't wet the bed at night and turned out pretty well adjusted. There have been bullies since the beginning of time and I don't read about any school or workplace shootings in the old west or throughout most of the 20th century. So what changed along about the mid-90's to cause such a reoccurring phenomenon? One word would probably sum it up in my mind... anybody else want to express their ideas?

lol... More than once..Remembered what I did wrong and how they overcame the strength I possessed and used it on the poor next guy..

I don't know if I turned out "well adjusted" but I try to be ..

LOL.. depends on what you call "work place shootings" in the old west. There has been killing since the beginning of human kind for reasons that are far from reasonable. The questions of why that are being asked, I don't think will ever be learned or known for sure.. I know that there is less and less face to face social interaction as time goes by. Lots of people do most everything on the computer at home so they never have interact with another human being for the most part..
 
Quote:An unsung hero in the video is the tall girl who stepped in when the second kid braced the chubby boy. She stepped right in there and probably saved further trouble for everybody.


I believe that was a teacher. Just bofore she shows up you can hear them say something like "uh-oh look who's coming" and I can see a name badge or something around her neck too.
 
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