Live Updates: U.S. Enters War With Iran, Striking Key Nuclear Sites
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SixsixtyMags
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Anyone who was willing to leave Iran get to the point of developing a nuclear weapon is a fool!
Death to America, death to Israel. from the river to the sea, proxy groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, the Hootie's, etc., who have killed Americans and wreaked havoc in the Middle East, martyrs willing to fly kamikaze planes into buildings like on 9/11. The attack on the U.S.S. Cole was absolutely an act of war, and I don't think anything came of it
Anyone who thinks that the religious fanatics who WANT TO DIE would hesitate to use a nuke better rethink their position!
All I can say is, it's about time that someone went after the head of the snake.
GUARANTEED, if Iran got nukes and used them, the Democrats would put all the blame it on Trump for not doing anything to prevent them from having them, looks like we don't need to worry about that for a while!
Death to America, death to Israel. from the river to the sea, proxy groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, the Hootie's, etc., who have killed Americans and wreaked havoc in the Middle East, martyrs willing to fly kamikaze planes into buildings like on 9/11. The attack on the U.S.S. Cole was absolutely an act of war, and I don't think anything came of it
Anyone who thinks that the religious fanatics who WANT TO DIE would hesitate to use a nuke better rethink their position!
All I can say is, it's about time that someone went after the head of the snake.
GUARANTEED, if Iran got nukes and used them, the Democrats would put all the blame it on Trump for not doing anything to prevent them from having them, looks like we don't need to worry about that for a while!
Bowhntr6pt
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Seems a lot of people are upset over this... I'm not one of them.
I agree with those who believe Iran will not give in... they will try to strike out with what ever they have left so that will have to be delt with swiftly and certain.
I hope the people of Iran rise up and take their country back... we shall see.
I agree with those who believe Iran will not give in... they will try to strike out with what ever they have left so that will have to be delt with swiftly and certain.
I hope the people of Iran rise up and take their country back... we shall see.
crapshoot
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I'm just not thrilled with the timing with what's stirring with China/Taiwan & Russia/Ukraine. Also not happy how BB stirs the hornets nest without consulting the US knowing/hoping the US will back his play regardless.
The US is at an all time Iow on weapons, munitions, personnel with no way to ramp up not to mention the universal shit ton of debt our country already has.
Did it need doing? More than. Likely. Was NOW the best time to do it? I'm not to sure.
The US is at an all time Iow on weapons, munitions, personnel with no way to ramp up not to mention the universal shit ton of debt our country already has.
Did it need doing? More than. Likely. Was NOW the best time to do it? I'm not to sure.
Spurchaser
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Is there ever a “right” time? I’ll give Trump credit…he did it early in his time in office. He didn’t wait and pass it on to whoever the next administration will be.
Here’s another take on it…we hit the nuclear sites without them even knowing what happened. As crazy as Iran is, they have to use a little common sense and think if we can come in undetected from 50Kft above them and hit a particular target, imagine what could happen to Tehran “if” we chose to target it. B2’s fly above any AAA or even missles they have that “if” they could track it, they couldn’t shoot it down. We have air superiority over them and they know it. Trump told them to come to the table and told their leader we know where you are and if we wanted you dead, you’d already be dead. Imagine if the President of the US told you that, regardless of what you may believe, it has to weigh on your mind. The people of Iran are tired of their dictator and Islam…it’s the America’s version of Democrats and all it does is keep people in submission.
I think Iran will attempt to retaliate, or coerce their proxies to retaliate, but Trump will not be diplomatic in his response if they do and they will come to the table rather quickly.
Speak softly and carry a big stick. Trump spoke and they didn’t listen, so the stick was applied. They’ve seen what can happen, it’s just a matter of how much they want to find out.
Here’s another take on it…we hit the nuclear sites without them even knowing what happened. As crazy as Iran is, they have to use a little common sense and think if we can come in undetected from 50Kft above them and hit a particular target, imagine what could happen to Tehran “if” we chose to target it. B2’s fly above any AAA or even missles they have that “if” they could track it, they couldn’t shoot it down. We have air superiority over them and they know it. Trump told them to come to the table and told their leader we know where you are and if we wanted you dead, you’d already be dead. Imagine if the President of the US told you that, regardless of what you may believe, it has to weigh on your mind. The people of Iran are tired of their dictator and Islam…it’s the America’s version of Democrats and all it does is keep people in submission.
I think Iran will attempt to retaliate, or coerce their proxies to retaliate, but Trump will not be diplomatic in his response if they do and they will come to the table rather quickly.
Speak softly and carry a big stick. Trump spoke and they didn’t listen, so the stick was applied. They’ve seen what can happen, it’s just a matter of how much they want to find out.
Sgt_Mike
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Well just to throw my opinion in the ring, because it will have no true weight. If one has a differing viewpoint my comments will not sway them. Because of my background many will think I'm a Hawk. I like to think of myself as the Lion in sheep's clothing, others will disagree.
a. Ukraine - stop funding the Dems/Rep and other interest slush funding. If one actually understands Ukraine's historical political history, they will understand the following statement. Ukraine has always aligned with the Socialists' aka U.S.S.R view point since the 1920's or so. Fact Several of Russia's leader came from that very nation over the years, look it up for yourself don't take my word on it. I doubt very highly that the money (Billions) that was allocated, and actually sent (made it there) might make 50% of what was allocated. I'm sure that it has lined many pockets. It's a waste of money and time in my opinion, UNLESS they actually want a Republic like ours otherwise it's a waste.
b. Iran / Persia - we have been attempting to change that regime ever since they overthrew their Shah. The very first order of business of the incoming regime was to seize American hostages for leverage. Our response was a rescue attempt that ended badly for us. We even assisted a certain leader of Iraq to power to wage war against them, in lieu of taking direct action. Daddy Bush, as Director of the CIA had a role to play in that, with full knowledge that we provided some WMD's. Only reason later when that was used as a reason to remove that Iraqi leader, was they (CIA) lost count of what Iraq used against Iran as well as his own people. Junior made that mistake, Daddy didn't, he never made that claim when liberating Kuwait. We had a President that unfroze some of 100 to 120 Billion that was frozen after the Shah was deposed.
Part of Diplomacy is Military might /action, it is the last line used, we tried you simply will not listen or work with us. This use of Military might has been the option since 1979 for every President since that time. After the election in 1980 the Iranians understood this explains why they couldn't get the hostages on a plane fast enough while President Reagan was taking the oath of office. Fact is the plane was in the air BEFORE the oath was fully administered. Since that time we have attempted diplomacy with removing the Military option off the table. That nation has done every thing in their power to attack us indirectly via other actors as they don't want true direct action. They have mined sea lanes, and the list is long of other actions they have taken.
Understand this I have a son whom is in the Special Ops community, if this goes sideways he is on the ground. Do I want him there NO I don't. But I don't see any option other than take out their capability, which is what we have done. Sometimes it is a simple case of they stepped over a line. Do I think they will attempt to restart the quest for Nuculear Arms? Unfortunately yes, have I reviewed with whom Iran has a treaty with ? No I haven't. Do I agree with President Trump's actions? Yes. You may feel different as a American you have that right. I'm not saying these words to sway your opinion I simply stating my view and why I think what I do.
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Shah of Iran was a dictator, he was replaced with a religious zealot as a dictator. They do not think like us, and when a few do they are "handled" quickly and swiftly. When they chant Death to America they honestly mean it. I don't know why some refuse to see when they have removed the mask and show whom they truly are.
a. Ukraine - stop funding the Dems/Rep and other interest slush funding. If one actually understands Ukraine's historical political history, they will understand the following statement. Ukraine has always aligned with the Socialists' aka U.S.S.R view point since the 1920's or so. Fact Several of Russia's leader came from that very nation over the years, look it up for yourself don't take my word on it. I doubt very highly that the money (Billions) that was allocated, and actually sent (made it there) might make 50% of what was allocated. I'm sure that it has lined many pockets. It's a waste of money and time in my opinion, UNLESS they actually want a Republic like ours otherwise it's a waste.
b. Iran / Persia - we have been attempting to change that regime ever since they overthrew their Shah. The very first order of business of the incoming regime was to seize American hostages for leverage. Our response was a rescue attempt that ended badly for us. We even assisted a certain leader of Iraq to power to wage war against them, in lieu of taking direct action. Daddy Bush, as Director of the CIA had a role to play in that, with full knowledge that we provided some WMD's. Only reason later when that was used as a reason to remove that Iraqi leader, was they (CIA) lost count of what Iraq used against Iran as well as his own people. Junior made that mistake, Daddy didn't, he never made that claim when liberating Kuwait. We had a President that unfroze some of 100 to 120 Billion that was frozen after the Shah was deposed.
Part of Diplomacy is Military might /action, it is the last line used, we tried you simply will not listen or work with us. This use of Military might has been the option since 1979 for every President since that time. After the election in 1980 the Iranians understood this explains why they couldn't get the hostages on a plane fast enough while President Reagan was taking the oath of office. Fact is the plane was in the air BEFORE the oath was fully administered. Since that time we have attempted diplomacy with removing the Military option off the table. That nation has done every thing in their power to attack us indirectly via other actors as they don't want true direct action. They have mined sea lanes, and the list is long of other actions they have taken.
Understand this I have a son whom is in the Special Ops community, if this goes sideways he is on the ground. Do I want him there NO I don't. But I don't see any option other than take out their capability, which is what we have done. Sometimes it is a simple case of they stepped over a line. Do I think they will attempt to restart the quest for Nuculear Arms? Unfortunately yes, have I reviewed with whom Iran has a treaty with ? No I haven't. Do I agree with President Trump's actions? Yes. You may feel different as a American you have that right. I'm not saying these words to sway your opinion I simply stating my view and why I think what I do.
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Shah of Iran was a dictator, he was replaced with a religious zealot as a dictator. They do not think like us, and when a few do they are "handled" quickly and swiftly. When they chant Death to America they honestly mean it. I don't know why some refuse to see when they have removed the mask and show whom they truly are.
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He said he would decide within 2 weeks. It hasn't been 2 weeks yet but the strikes were made within 2 weeks.
What changed? An Iranian official publicy refused his offer & officially stated that Iran was NOT going to negotiate.
Well, alrighty then...
What changed? An Iranian official publicy refused his offer & officially stated that Iran was NOT going to negotiate.
Well, alrighty then...
thank you for your service and your son for his, Sarge!
Biden didn't know what a line was, remember his suggestions about a "minor incursion"?
Both rewarded the Iranians rather than blocking their nuclear program.
Biden's watered down "suggestion" that Russia should not make an incursion in Ukraine, as would be expected, simply encouraged Putin.
Absolutely. Obama drew a red line in the sand and ignored it when the line was crossed.
Biden didn't know what a line was, remember his suggestions about a "minor incursion"?
Both rewarded the Iranians rather than blocking their nuclear program.
Biden's watered down "suggestion" that Russia should not make an incursion in Ukraine, as would be expected, simply encouraged Putin.
Biden
"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do," Biden said. He warned that a full-scale invasion of Ukraine would be "a disaster for Russia."
Biden says his 'guess' is that Putin will launch an offensive against Ukraine: 'He has to do something'
Biden warned that Russia would be held accountable if it invades, saying that a full-scale offensive against Ukraine would be "a disaster for Russia."www.businessinsider.com
There obviously isn't a right time, but once the line is crossed, the only choice is to react decisively; that is all they understand. Netanyahu has a reputation around the world of following through with his statements which is recognized around the world and I thank the Lord that we finally have a leader who also says what he means and means what he says.
Amen
There is never a good time. Unfortunately, the enemy has a vote in every disagreement. The disastrous results of Iran possessing nuclear weapons demanded a strong response and President Trump gave them every opportunity to negotiate a settlement, responded with decisive, but measured force, as promised.
Sgt_Mike
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ohhhhh hahahahaha
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Another thing about the impact on oil, for us it really may not amount to much. We no longer import oil, we're currently the largest oil producer in the world & we export oil. The oil in that region mostly goes to china, so even if they straights get shut down completely it will have zero impact on the domestic availability of oil, unlike the past
Europe does buy some of it but it's something like 5%, so not much impact for them either
Europe does buy some of it but it's something like 5%, so not much impact for them either
There is currently no shortage of traffic there
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DoubleLungRage
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But I bet you that the oil companies will use the excuse to raise our gas prices.
It's enough oil to impact the global price, but in terms of availability we're using our own crude now so we'll have oil
Oil that costs more is still far better than oil that costs more & we can't get, which isn't the case now
Oil that costs more is still far better than oil that costs more & we can't get, which isn't the case now
Which was the case a mere 6 months ago......due to Sleepy's auto pen exhausting the Strategic Petroleum Reserves for political gain.