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Snipercoyote

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I'm currently shooting a PSE Bowmadness bow with a whiskerbiscuit rest and no stabilizer. Do you guys think that adding a drop away rest and stabilizer would be worth upgrading to for accuracy reasons? I was looking at the QAD HD drop away rest and the Doinker 5.75" stabilizer, any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys.
 
A stabilizer would help but LOTS of tests have proven a WB is just as accurate as drop a way rests and are a lot more practical for hunting applications.
 
I've never been a big fan of whisker biscuit just cause you always have arrow contact the full length of the shaft.I used to shoot a prong style rest which has arrow contact as well, then I made the switch to a drop away and will never go back. I did notice better accuracy and overall quiter shot. The only advise on a drop away is get one you can cock in the up right position like the QAD HD or a Ripcord. But that's just my 2 cents
 
A drop away rest is more forgiving. I think you would be glad you got rid of the Whisker Biscuit. As far as adding a stabilizer, there is really now way of knowing until you try one. A good pro shop will let you try several different models to see which one if any helps you. Parallel limb bows and past parallel like the Bow Madness shouldn't need much if any stabilizer.

Shooting properly spined arrows with correct FWC for your broadheads is required for best accuracy.

Be sure you are using good form, that your draw length is correct, that your peep sight is set to the right position so that your sight pin is centered in your peep and that you get a clean release with complete follow through for each shot. Paper tune your bow so that you know you are getting good arrow flight.

Although short axle to axle bows like the Bow Madness are popular for tree stand hunting, they are not as forgiving as a longer bow.
 
I worked in my friends pro archery shop for a number of years. Your equipment will get you to a certain point of accuracy...But your FORM will take you the rest of the way.

Those with good form have better accuracy through consistancy. I've known and seen shooters who can pick up there bow after its sat for months and just shoot bulls all day long because they have perfect FORM.

You really need someone to watch you or video yourself shooting so that your form deficiencies (if any) can be corrected. It's hard to see what your doing wrong when shooting alone.

Kevin
 
Get the QAD HD and you won't be disappointed. Like jackindistress said, you really shouldn't need much of a stabilizer with your current setup. The best way to improve your accuracy is practice, practice, practice.
 
accuracy issues are sometimes a funny thing.

It could be the bow; timing, tiller, nock travel, draw length.

It could be the set-up; center shot (rest), nock point.

It could be the arrow; spine/lenght/size, or maybe a diff. brand or model.

Or, it could be you; form, release, target panic.

Everyone above could be correct but you should have someone who knows the in and outs look at your bow and your setup, then watch you shoot.

I've had guys come in and complain about their bow's but they shot great when I shot them.

Its a matter of chasing down the problem.

Shoot with a stablizer, if it helps great. If not, can it. Be objective if you can.
 
i use a whisker biscuit and a limbsaver s coil stabilizer, trophy ridge 3 pin sight. i couldnt hit consistantly in the same group for the longest time, i went to the archery shop and had them paper tune it, then i found out my bh's were 100 grains and my fieldpoints were 125! small stuff like that will cause accuracy issues! but most of the time its the form! rushed shots can be 10+ inches off at times!
 
Whiskerbiscuit is fine as long as u have very good consistant form. Any torqe or xtra movement u introduce during the shot will amplify because of the contact along the entire length of the arrow shaft.
The bowmadness XL has a shorter brace height than the XS which calls for a stab. The XSseems to hold well wo a stab but I always opt for a stab for all my compound bows.
Dont forget about the Trophy taker fall away as it is a simple but very sturdy very accurate arrow rest. JMO
 
Thanks for the input guys! I have since added an s coil stabilizer and have ordered a QAD LD drop away rest. They dont offer the HD in left hand. Hopeful to pick up a little speed along with tighter groups.
 
I had a biscuit. Got a QAD Ultra rest drop away and I won't go back to the biscuit. No more warped vanes and tighter groups. Plus I can shoot flu flu's now too! When you install your QAD may I suggest that you don't use the little plastic "football" looking clamp that comes with it and just slip your cord through your string and service it in. Use a lighter and melt a little knob so that it won't pull back through the string. Take it in to your local bow shop and have the Pro do this for you, and make sure that it's setup to drop at the right time and all. The reason for this is that it will never slip and with the plastic piece with the two small screws there is a chance that the tip of the screw could cut at your string over time or even all at once even. While your there have him check out your whole setup, knock height, kisser button, peep site, string-arrow-site alignment, draw length, both cams in timing, etc. My local shop charged me about $8.00 for all this, no charge for the chit chat. That guy is a wealth of good information for sure.

As far as the stabilizer, yea go ahead and get one sure can't hurt.

This will give you confidence that your rig is right. Then just practice, practice, practice.
 
If you want a great stabilizer get a B-Stinger! I shoot a PSE Vendetta XS at 29" and can get 3"-4" groups at 60 yards most days. Ive been shooting B-Stinger's for almost a year now and wont use anything else anymore.

Posten also makes a good stabilizer.
 
I dont use a stabilizer myself but im odd in that aspect cuz they make me shoot worse! I have a NAP quicktune 360 rest that i love! i would say the whisker is your biggest problem or the bow just isnt set up correctly
 
A stabilizer dosent really help much with accuracy its really more for the balance and not ever shooter has to use or have one. A stabilizer is only needed if the bow tends to sit in your hand and the top of the bow leans toward you.

A wb is the best rest to use for hunting bc you dont have to worry about the arrow comming out, but your drop away is much more accurate and is what I shoot on my hunting and tournament bow.
 
A stabilizer is the best thing you can put on a bow... but not a short fatty one... it needs to be at leasst 10-12"... they do help in accuracy... they are not designed to keep the bow from tipping backwards... they are designed to reduce bow grip twist during the shot. It must have some real weight to it as well. The market is flooded with pretty ones... but they are not effective like a long heavy one. If you don't believe me... then get a 12" piece of treaded rod... screw it into your bow... and attached one of those old shorty lead stabilizers on the end and try that and see if that doesn't make your shots tighten up. Or just screw on a 12" piece of solid steel into your bow. Let it proves itself. It will reduce your left and right errors... which is ALL in your hand torque. Shots hitting up or down is one thing... but you can not afford left and right errors.... no way... no way...
 
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Originally Posted By: bowhunter16A stabilizer dosent really help much with accuracy its really more for the balance and not ever shooter has to use or have one. A stabilizer is only needed if the bow tends to sit in your hand and the top of the bow leans toward you.

A wb is the best rest to use for hunting bc you dont have to worry about the arrow comming out, but your drop away is much more accurate and is what I shoot on my hunting and tournament bow.



Not trying to embarrass you or anything, but the whole part of your post directed towards stabilizers is wrong. All stabilizers will help to a certain extent, but a longer heavier stabilizer WILL DECREASE HAND TORQUE...which in turn will make you a more accurate shooter.

Why do you think indoor spot shooters use 30"+ inch stabilizers? Just to keep their bow from tipping back when they shoot?

Anyone here who doesnt believe me go out and find a stabilizer around 8"-12+" with a weight kit or weight at the end of it...I prefer a B-Stinger or Posten. Shoot your bow without it or with your current stabilizer. Shoot a 3 arrow group at 30 or 40 yards (I know I hate shooting groups also but it's the best way to see the difference) then put on the heavier stabilizer and do it again and see if your groups get better.


Not only do they help with accuracy but they help steady your pin at longer distance's.
 
Accuracy comes from good form and properly matched arrows. Without good form you will never be a consistent shot.

A longer stabilizer lets you see how much you are torquing the bow. Simply screwing a threaded rod into your stabilizer insert during a few practice sessions will let you see how much you are torquing the bow and help you to improve your form.

Some bows benefit more from a longer stabilizer than others but most of the new parallel and beyond parallel limb bows do not need a stabilizer if you have good form.

If you have trouble paper tuning your bow that is a good indication that you do not have proper form. I have seen guys spend hours trying to paper tune their bow and never get it to shoot "clean" simply because they do not have good form.
 
My current set up is pretty accurate, I'm just a picky shooter and I want to be even more accurate. 30yds and in im shooting pretty tight groups its once I get out to 40, 50 yds I notice a drop off. I've heard this could be because of the biscuit. We will find out soon got the QAD rest in the mail today.
 
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