Lost land to a hunting lease!
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Originally Posted By: cawilson82should be illegal. oh well one day the rich will have all private land leased up and i shall become a trespasser. another thing alot of guys don't think of is this how many "hunting leases" do you guys believe are actually leased by anti's to stop hunting? with the money they have donated from people who fall for their scams they could easily lease up all kinds of hunting property. there will soon be a day if you don't own property or have enough money to lease some you will have nowhere to hunt.
As much as I understand your discontent, private property is just that "private property"! When I grew up on our ranch, the thing that was most disliked was trespassers. My dad was easygoing until that subject came up then he was [beeep] on wheels! I WILL NOT trespass on posted or unposted land. The owner deserves that respect whether he is a friend or someone I really dislike. I'll quit hunting before I'll do that .
As much as I understand your discontent, private property is just that "private property"! When I grew up on our ranch, the thing that was most disliked was trespassers. My dad was easygoing until that subject came up then he was [beeep] on wheels! I WILL NOT trespass on posted or unposted land. The owner deserves that respect whether he is a friend or someone I really dislike. I'll quit hunting before I'll do that .
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bowhunt32
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Originally Posted By: KsYotes As much as I understand your discontent, private property is just that "private property"! When I grew up on our ranch, the thing that was most disliked was trespassers. My dad was easygoing until that subject came up then he was [beeep on wheels! I WILL NOT trespass on posted or unposted land. The owner deserves that respect wheather he is a friend or someone I really dislike. I'll quit hunting before I'll do that .
Which is exactly the point I've made in my two posts. Most other hunters won't either, and with most either not being able to pay to hunt or only able to do so in a very limited capaicty, will ultimately lead to hunting being a sport for the rich. I'm afraid this train has left the station, and like you won't break the law to hunt, but I also don't own property so someday I will be screwed. Not to mention the generation that's following us and are frankly more (generally) interested in their game stations than a day out hunting anyway.
Which is exactly the point I've made in my two posts. Most other hunters won't either, and with most either not being able to pay to hunt or only able to do so in a very limited capaicty, will ultimately lead to hunting being a sport for the rich. I'm afraid this train has left the station, and like you won't break the law to hunt, but I also don't own property so someday I will be screwed. Not to mention the generation that's following us and are frankly more (generally) interested in their game stations than a day out hunting anyway.
cawilson82
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Ok its a little outta hand. Yes I own land. No land tax in this nation is as high as leases go for in these parts. I do not trespass at this current time nor have I intentionally ever. But there will come a day that it will come to that. Just like one day hunting won't be allowed and I suppose all you high and mighty folks will abide by that right? I feel it should be illegal to lease land to profit off of wild game. Same as its illegal to sell wiiluyd game for food.
emeraldterriers1
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Originally Posted By: cawilson82Ok its a little outta hand. Yes I own land. No land tax in this nation is as high as leases go for in these parts. I do not trespass at this current time nor have I intentionally ever. But there will come a day that it will come to that. Just like one day hunting won't be allowed and I suppose all you high and mighty folks will abide by that right? I feel it should be illegal to lease land to profit off of wild game. Same as its illegal to sell wiiluyd game for food.
a landowner doesnt profit from wild game... he is getting a trespass fee
a landowner doesnt profit from wild game... he is getting a trespass fee
daddyflea
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Some of the land I routinely hunt is Leased by other Hunters. The Land Owner tells them I hunt Coyotes that cause his Cattle problems. So far in the last several years no conflict except occasionally when they see me in a Ghullie and freak out. These are Duck Hunters. Might be where Bigfoot originated.
The problem isn't greed, or politics. It is simple math. There is a growing population, and a finite number of acres to hunt.
While the population is growing, the percentage of those who do hunt is decreasing. While the percentage is decreasing, the numbers are still increasing. Add onto that the amount of land lost to urban and suburban sprawl, and you are looking more demand for the amount of hunting land out there.
Land leases her for about $7-$15 dollars and acre for an all game lease. If you lease a thousand acres, you are going to pay between $7 and $15 thousand acres. You go and get you about 1 hunter per 100 acres (10 in this case) to help you pay for it, and you end up paying $700-$1500 each. If you don't mind paying more, you can reduce the number of members you want helping you pay for it.
I would guess that the taxes run in the neigborhood of $5-$15 dollars per acre depending on the land use.
Yes, unfortunately, hunting may become a thing of the past. But when you have the number of people and houses and fast food resturants we have, you kinda run out of room.
Maybe a we need a world war or some virus outbreak to whittle the population down a little.
While the population is growing, the percentage of those who do hunt is decreasing. While the percentage is decreasing, the numbers are still increasing. Add onto that the amount of land lost to urban and suburban sprawl, and you are looking more demand for the amount of hunting land out there.
Land leases her for about $7-$15 dollars and acre for an all game lease. If you lease a thousand acres, you are going to pay between $7 and $15 thousand acres. You go and get you about 1 hunter per 100 acres (10 in this case) to help you pay for it, and you end up paying $700-$1500 each. If you don't mind paying more, you can reduce the number of members you want helping you pay for it.
I would guess that the taxes run in the neigborhood of $5-$15 dollars per acre depending on the land use.
Yes, unfortunately, hunting may become a thing of the past. But when you have the number of people and houses and fast food resturants we have, you kinda run out of room.
Maybe a we need a world war or some virus outbreak to whittle the population down a little.
Originally Posted By: Yellowhammer Quote:should be illegal. oh well one day the rich will have all private land leased up and i shall become a trespasser. another thing alot of guys don't think of is this how many "hunting leases" do you guys believe are actually leased by anti's to stop hunting? with the money they have donated from people who fall for their scams they could easily lease up all kinds of hunting property. there will soon be a day if you don't own property or have enough money to lease some you will have nowhere to hunt.
If you were a landowner, do you think you would feel the same way?
So, if you can't afford it, you will become a tresspasser? If it gets where you can't afford a car, will you become a car thief?
Anti's lease little if any land. By the same token, they don't buy any either while organizations like like Ducks Unlimited and other hunter funded conservation groups do.
Some of the sentiment of this thread reminds me of some of the stuff I hear from the "Occupy Wallstreet" bunch on the news.
I don't like the lease land any more than the next guy, but I don't blame the guy who owns the land for trying to pay for his taxes.
In my case, the land owner took hundreds of thousands of acres OUT of BMA and is now closed to hunting due to hunting lease. He was getting money from every sportman out there that signed up at one of the BMA boxes, but greed takes over and he gets more money from outfitters. It's all about the dollar and who will pay more and this trend will continue until all the "private" land is leased up. Probably won't be a huge problem for me, but it sure will be for my kids.
If you were a landowner, do you think you would feel the same way?
So, if you can't afford it, you will become a tresspasser? If it gets where you can't afford a car, will you become a car thief?
Anti's lease little if any land. By the same token, they don't buy any either while organizations like like Ducks Unlimited and other hunter funded conservation groups do.
Some of the sentiment of this thread reminds me of some of the stuff I hear from the "Occupy Wallstreet" bunch on the news.
I don't like the lease land any more than the next guy, but I don't blame the guy who owns the land for trying to pay for his taxes.
In my case, the land owner took hundreds of thousands of acres OUT of BMA and is now closed to hunting due to hunting lease. He was getting money from every sportman out there that signed up at one of the BMA boxes, but greed takes over and he gets more money from outfitters. It's all about the dollar and who will pay more and this trend will continue until all the "private" land is leased up. Probably won't be a huge problem for me, but it sure will be for my kids.
skinney
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YELLOWHAMMER is correct in all his posts,
i had over 2K acres in state "walk in" for years, when i started outfitting, you think i'm gonna take the 1$ an acre payment from the state compared to the 3K i get for one mule deer, not a chance in [beeep], call it greed, call it corruption, call it what you will, i have 3 kids to raise, i LOVE guiding, and if i can get paid doing what i love... then so be it. i've dealt with trespassers and i'm sure i'll deal with more, sure would hate to be the guy who walks into my backyard without consent... just sayin.
i had over 2K acres in state "walk in" for years, when i started outfitting, you think i'm gonna take the 1$ an acre payment from the state compared to the 3K i get for one mule deer, not a chance in [beeep], call it greed, call it corruption, call it what you will, i have 3 kids to raise, i LOVE guiding, and if i can get paid doing what i love... then so be it. i've dealt with trespassers and i'm sure i'll deal with more, sure would hate to be the guy who walks into my backyard without consent... just sayin.
skinney
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Originally Posted By: cmatera And where do they get their money to buy the land?
seriously??? is it really coming down to this on a HUNTING forum??? who the [beeep] cares where they get their money, its America, people strive to make a living, and some make a [beeep] good one, when applying themselves to hard work and good fundamentals, anyone, and i'm saying ANYONE could be a land owner if they had the drive and ambition to pursue it... whats scary is most of you who are complaining about this wouldn't have any idea what to do or how to manage it, you just "want" it or feel you may be "entitled" to it in some way... sad.
seriously??? is it really coming down to this on a HUNTING forum??? who the [beeep] cares where they get their money, its America, people strive to make a living, and some make a [beeep] good one, when applying themselves to hard work and good fundamentals, anyone, and i'm saying ANYONE could be a land owner if they had the drive and ambition to pursue it... whats scary is most of you who are complaining about this wouldn't have any idea what to do or how to manage it, you just "want" it or feel you may be "entitled" to it in some way... sad.
Skinney- I think he was probably asking that question to one of the other posters.
Anyway, we will have to make the most of what we have or have access to while we have it.
People shouldn't hate those who have it because they won't give it away.
This is a simple supply and demad equation. If someone will not pay it, it won't happen.
Again, lots of people and not much land adds up to a big demand.
Anyway, we will have to make the most of what we have or have access to while we have it.
People shouldn't hate those who have it because they won't give it away.
This is a simple supply and demad equation. If someone will not pay it, it won't happen.
Again, lots of people and not much land adds up to a big demand.
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skinney
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Originally Posted By: KsYotesGuys! I just put this post up to say I hated losing some prime hunting area, and understood why the land owner would take the money instead of my $0 I paid them. I didn't want to start a feud among site members....
I see now it seems to be a somewhat touchy subject!
to the OP, sorry to be upset with some of the previous posters... i understand where you are coming from, but let me try to explain this in a different way... i have some ground that is capable of producing 1200gal/minute from an underground water vein, so instead of letting the state or gov. give me money for turning it into crp or what have you, i put up a valley pivot, planted corn that yields 200bu/acre, of course the production costs are very high, but so are my earnings if i manage it correctly, so my decision of doing the extra work will benefit me and my family more than leaving the land how it is... the same principle applies to wildlife, if i manage my whitetail, elk and mule deer herd correctly by supplementing high energy/protein and culling the non productive or "bad genetic" animals i can inturn produce more trophies for hunters who are willing to pay the big bucks for the "big bucks", there is no greed about this, its, determination, dedication, and alot of bust a$$ hard work, i started my business by asking a landowner if i could cut up some of his steel and clean up his junk piles, i sold the steel saved the money, and slowly started my dream... if someone doesn't like not having land to hunt on, my suggestions, take some time, ask the landowner if you can do a little work for some coyote hunting rights, if thats to much for ya, start a savings from your paycheck if hunting is that important, pay like everyone else.
I see now it seems to be a somewhat touchy subject!
to the OP, sorry to be upset with some of the previous posters... i understand where you are coming from, but let me try to explain this in a different way... i have some ground that is capable of producing 1200gal/minute from an underground water vein, so instead of letting the state or gov. give me money for turning it into crp or what have you, i put up a valley pivot, planted corn that yields 200bu/acre, of course the production costs are very high, but so are my earnings if i manage it correctly, so my decision of doing the extra work will benefit me and my family more than leaving the land how it is... the same principle applies to wildlife, if i manage my whitetail, elk and mule deer herd correctly by supplementing high energy/protein and culling the non productive or "bad genetic" animals i can inturn produce more trophies for hunters who are willing to pay the big bucks for the "big bucks", there is no greed about this, its, determination, dedication, and alot of bust a$$ hard work, i started my business by asking a landowner if i could cut up some of his steel and clean up his junk piles, i sold the steel saved the money, and slowly started my dream... if someone doesn't like not having land to hunt on, my suggestions, take some time, ask the landowner if you can do a little work for some coyote hunting rights, if thats to much for ya, start a savings from your paycheck if hunting is that important, pay like everyone else.
"Pay like everyone else"
Yea, your the only one with kids, and a mortgage, and bills. We'll keep robbing Peter to pay Paul so you can enjoy the ride and we can have the "privilege" (hahaha) of touching your dirt to harvest an animal.
Your Hilarious.
I'll keep hunting on the land that the farmers see the benefit of me hunting on at no cost to me (I'm actually SAVING them money by harvesting deer and varmints), and you can keep your precious "management program".
Yea, your the only one with kids, and a mortgage, and bills. We'll keep robbing Peter to pay Paul so you can enjoy the ride and we can have the "privilege" (hahaha) of touching your dirt to harvest an animal.
Your Hilarious.
I'll keep hunting on the land that the farmers see the benefit of me hunting on at no cost to me (I'm actually SAVING them money by harvesting deer and varmints), and you can keep your precious "management program".
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dogcatcher
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Some of you sound like you want a "welfare" system to provide you with a place to hunt. You need to get hold of Obama and ask for help, I am sure for your vote he and his crew will try to help you.