Lost mate howl?

Professor Higgins; Have you read the missives by Arterburn on coyote vocalizations in the new predator&prey mag?
Seems to be some contradictory info from what you howlers and yippers in here reccommend. What is the deal concerning coyotes ability to emit only one howl every 20 minutes?, is that right? My old hound dog can howl damned near continuous,and thats a howl, not a bark.
 
.....what do you think it meant, this is fascinating stuff interrupting and naming these barks and yips coyotes emit!!!!

Vic, interrupting and naming barks and howls is fascinating, so is interpreting them. I know for a fact that you can interpret many of the vocalizations that sweet little hound of your's emits. I'm willing to bet that you, like most all hound men, can tell your hounds bell from any other hound, you know when she has been hurt, scared, and got her blood up all from her voice. You can tell when she bells, "strike" "treed" and when she's lost the track. She really has quite a vocal lexicon , doesn't she?

I haven't seen that magazine yet although I've received some e-mails about it. Like three 44s said Major states in his booklet that accompanies his call that a coyote cannot howl for about 20 minutes after the initial howl. He goes on to say that it is fun to watch them try.
triple deuce witnessed a coyote emitting consecutive howls 7-8 times. I have videoed coyotes threat howling for 90 consecutive minutes. I have heard them emitting lonehowls in conjunction with assembly celebration for at least 45 minutes. I have asked about this issue of every predator biologist that I talk to and none have ever heard such. I've talked to Major several times and it's tough to stay on subject since he is popular and everyone wants some of his time. He's agreed to do a "Masters" installment with me and I'll ask about it for sure.
 
ChileRojo,
Arterburn, Major Boddicker or anybody else that claims that a coyote can not howl more than once every twenty minutes are just plain wrong. I don't know this Arterburn fellow, but it surprises me to hear that Major Boddicker is still sticking to his original statement. Major has been around coyote country long enough to know better. I have two video's from ELK Industries that will prove those guys wrong to any level headed person who cares to watch several coyotes howl several times in a row. Dogging coyotes is one such video, and dogging coyotes 11 (Roman numeral 2) is another.
 
Rich in AZ,

I am sorry for not getting back here for so long. Did not mean to help stir up a bunch of stuff and run off like a coward.

I don't know if there are more than one assy. howl but what Boddicker describes as the Widower howl ...... I have heard with two different situations. Both widowed circumstances.

It starts with a short yip, short trailing up howl and ends going up and fading. It's damned errie stuff. Just like funeral doings!

The second 'ote I heard was only a few notes but the first one nearly drove our family BATTY!!

I was sick with a sinus infection but a pair of 'otes were in the field by our house at about 250 yds. I busted one with my tried and true and the other ran off. My brother promptly retrieved the carcass and disposed it. I can't recall exactly when the lost mate returned but for TWO weeks, it "did drive bys". Several times it sat on the hill behind brush and laughed and ran off while my 75 gr. HP's from my .243 blew up in front of it. I made it so hot for (her) that she had to resort to night only.

BUT her Waterloo did arrive.

One fine night, during a heavy snow storm ............ our dogs lit up. Dad held the light and I found the eyes. Fired. Sound of the bullet opening. Eyes ran off. My lower jaw in the snow. That sound had never betrayed me before!!!!

We went inside and I licked the wounds on my ego!

TEN MINUTES later, "looney tunes" (Mom's name for this [beeep] 'ote) started howling again!!!

Back out in the wintery night Dad & I trudged.

Light on and scan and scan. Well Looney Tune was right down at the bottom of the hill and I was lighting too high.

Bang Flop!

Next morning I retrieved both dead otes and my ego was restored! You see, on the first encounter ..... there were two otes. The one I shot at was right there dead. The one we saw run off was number 2 and lucky.

Two dead otes and no more Looney Tunes!

I am a Rancher and hear tons of 'ote talk but that widower call is very rare in my mind. Two times that I have heard in my 49 years of living, all of it here except for the last 2 years of school away.

Three 44s
 
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Rich, thanks, I can always count on the professor to correct my gross spelling errors:) In fact, my hound has a very small lexicon of vocalizations. Maybe four? I can tell her bay/treed song,her warning bark,choppy sounding trailing bark,and when she is hurt.....thats about it for ole Bootsie?
I suppose I am a philly-stine as you call me:) I doubt how much anyone really knows about what coyotes are saying,if they are saying anything at all? It might make for interesting conversation for those that are stimulated by such talk, but Im not sure how much mud it really holds?
But hey, I read where some pointy head was studying P-dog talk in Colorado, he claimed they had over 100 vocalizations, they must be way smarter than coyotes with that kind of vocabulary:)
 
Vic, you didn't mis-spell anything. it was a simple malapropism (doncha just love that word) and I do 'em all the time. It happens when your mind runs too far ahead of your fingers. lol
The pd study was conducted up in Flagstaff by a NSU staffer. He made some outrageous claims concerning the precision of pd language.
Until some one does a difinitive study on coyote vocalizations then your opinion has has much merit as anyone elses. Mike Jaeger at Utah State is considering such a study now.
 
Greenside,
I believe the sunrise serenade and group/yip howl is same thing. I have heard it morning and evening both. Heard it in middle of the night also. This is one type of howl that I have not heard a family of coyotes perform more than once before they shut up. If this type of howling is what the good Major is actually claiming the coyotes can only do one time in twenty minutes,then his claim may have some merit. I believe that the only reason the coyotes sing that one little group/yip howl and shutup, is because they don't feel the desire to sing it again. They said it once, so why repeat it right away? I wish that my wife had that much consideration. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Greenside,
If we are talking group/yip howl, I do not dispute the fact that they almost never sing that song more than once before shutting up. The challenge howl is a whole different matter.
 
The group yip howling is what I thought Boddicker and Sceery were talking when they made the claim that coyotes can't or won't howl again for a period of time? From my experince, its dang near impossible to get another group howl if they have just completed one.

The warning and pi$$ed off barks can go on for a long time. I watched two coyotes just the other day yap back and forth at each other for 30 minutes before I moved on. Neither would move closer or retreat.
 
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.....I agree with RH......

That's it... I'm hanging up my keyboard and putting my fingers out to pasture. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
Not to change the subject but Mr. Higgins was that you in the Predator Xtreme magazine article about the study of collared yotes in Idaho or Utah? If it is is there more of that study to be published? It was an amazing article but entirely to short. I could have read another hundred pages of it.
 
Yes Sir, that was predator Hunter. Dr Jaeger and grad student Mike Ebbinger are downloading the info and making computer animations still. Mike will give me a DVD of the full six weeks animations when they are complete and it will be a goldmine of information about these coyotes movements and responses at all hours during all moon phases and all kinds of weather. Some of the results that he has shared with me really left me scratching my head. I'm sure there will be a lot more questions posed about their behavior after these animations arfe analyzed. BTW, a ten year old alpha male, complete with GPS collar, appears in a short clip in the video I just released.
 
Thanks. That was an amazing article.Like I said the only dissapointing thing was it was too short. I coulndt believe the traveling they did.

Sorry if I stole the thread.
 
I have got the same bunch or coyotes to group yip howl more than once in a morning. Usually with a break of 30 or 45 minutes in between. It happens fairly often actually. But occasionally they won't perk up again.
 
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