Massive "coyote" shot in Newfoundland, Canada

It'll be interesting to see the genetic testing, if there is any done on this thing.

Originally Posted By: kirbyYou can GOOGLE coyote or wolf hybrids & see some pictures. I can Google jackalope and see photos of those also. I'm specifically interested in DNA studies or other objectivel evidence that folks may know of. The last study I read by a university did DNA testing in a rather large number of thought-to-be coyote/canine crosses where guys were sure it was a cross and none had both coyote and canine dna - in every case it was one or the other.

Originally Posted By: kirbyBack in the 60's in Iowa. There were many people who bred wolves to dogs, coyotes to dogs & other canine hybrids.
These hybrids were sold on the open market in newspaper classifieds back then. Again, not to discount the scientific integrity of classified ads or other folklore, but none of this is any sort of objective evidence.
 
Originally Posted By: MO1It'll be interesting to see the genetic testing, if there is any done on this thing.

Originally Posted By: kirbyYou can GOOGLE coyote or wolf hybrids & see some pictures. I can Google jackalope and see photos of those also. I'm specifically interested in DNA studies or other objectivel evidence that folks may know of. The last study I read by a university did DNA testing in a rather large number of thought-to-be coyote/canine crosses where guys were sure it was a cross and none had both coyote and canine dna - in every case it was one or the other.

Originally Posted By: kirbyBack in the 60's in Iowa. There were many people who bred wolves to dogs, coyotes to dogs & other canine hybrids.
These hybrids were sold on the open market in newspaper classifieds back then. Again, not to discount the scientific integrity of classified ads or other folklore, but none of this is any sort of objective evidence.

You missed my point entirely. About "GOOGLE'ing" pictures of hybrids. There are or was? [coyote & wolf Hybrid Breeder's] that have or had? their own web sites. That sell or sold hybrids. I wasn't refering to un-known or un-proven pictures of hybrids. Such as, the infamous jackalope
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MO1, I found a study done by (Seton) & another study done by (Gray). Both excellent authors & interesting findings.

Also check out the web site (Wolf Zone 1)
 
I have to say that the photo is that of a wolf. dog,wolf hybrids are around, dog/coyote hybrids are very rare. I have this belief however, that wolf DNA is in every dog in existence.
 
Don't look like a yote to me. Although it certainly may have at distance.


On the subject of coydogs... yes they do exist. I've seen them in the wild.

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=dog%20coyote%20hybrid%20studies


As for why they are rare...


http://www.apetsblog.com/pets-journal/coydog-coyote-dog-hybrid.htm

Quote:So why aren't coydogs more common in rural areas? Actually, the issue is not as puzzling as it first appears. The reason there is little evidence of coyotes mating with dogs in the wild is simply because social habits and statistics makes the opportunity and probability of mating quite low indeed.

The coyote social structure is somewhat different from the domestic canine, and, quite frankly, coyotes would rather eat a dog than befriend one. Coyotes also have very different breeding cycles and mating behaviors. It is believed the male coyote sperm count remains low or dormant for most of the year and only picks up for about 60 days in the spring in conjunction with the female coyotes once a year heat cycle. Coyote males usually stick with one female through the breeding season as well, even assisting in feeding and raising the puppies. Some researchers believe they mate for life. Others believe only the alpha male gets to breed. So you see, and this is just my individual theory, it's simply a numbers game. For a coyote and a dog to mate, the choice of female coyotes would have to be so low that the male would not have a "girlfriend" to start with, then, he would have to meet a female dog (too large to eat), who just happened to be in heat within the same two month period that he was producing sperm. The above scenario is not impossible, just a rarity, statistically speaking.
 
20 some odd yrs ago. A co-worker of mine. Owned a 50% Malamute 50% wolf hybrid. Canine was very large & looked all wolf to me.
However, it had the coloration of a Malamute on it's face.

I find it somewhat hard to distinguish smaller percentage of a certain breed mixed in with a known purebred canine. Like most people. I make my best guess-timation of what I see.

I seen a coyote hybrid around 6yrs ago. While out hunting for coyote. Canine looked all coyote. But had long flowing body fur(6" or better)my best (est). I've seen well over 2000 coyotes in my time. I've never seen another coyote that had fur like that one. Quite an oddity.

One thing about the above canine. The white underside demarkation. Sets "high up" on the face/muzzle ( like most wolves have) that are not a solid color. Vs a typical coyote whereas, the white underside stops at or below the upper jaw/muzzle area.

Anyway, a very interesting canine regardless.
 
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Originally Posted By: kirbyIf that is your understanding? I suggest more research on that subject.


Although rare, hybrids are out there in the wild.
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My guess is they are calling it a "coyote" so people continue to shoot these things. Soon as the word "WOLF" is brought into the equation, All [beeep] breaks loose.


I'm sure you Mid west guys know what I'm talking about....
 
I'd say it's a wolf too.

Same thing happened a couple of years ago in Missouri when a guy shot a 104 pound "coyote", according to their DNR.

When the DNA test came back on that animal it was determined to be a wolf that had wandered down from Minnesota.
 
Thats a Wolf, no doubt about that.

And on the other discussion, if they need test specimens for DNA testing to see if dogs and yotes can breed. Just come on up to Allamakee county. We'll get them a whole pickup load of them.
 
a guy near me had a chowchow [beeep] that was bred by a male coyote(he caught them in the act) the pups were pretty cool looking and bada@@ in the scrapping department! they stayed pretty compact though as a chow isn't a big dog to begin with
 


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