vmaxs will put them down, only problem is they normally blow up the dog,unless somehow they are shot in a way that makes the bullet blow up inside the dog, one of the last dogs I shot last year, I hit in the neck the bullet blew a grapefruit sized exit hole in the middle of the dogs side near the top of the back, it was a beautiful male that was huge with some unique coloring and a dark ring of hair around the top of the tail, even with this frontal shot I still exploded the dog, another dog that day I had to shoot twice and after that the dog was darn near cut in half, if fur is no worrys use the vmax, as for me I am going to try the berger match bullets