middlestead 22/243

gwb

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I'm going to build a 22/243 middlestead and want to shoot lighter bullets through it and some heavier as in the 60-75 gr, probably going to have a 24" hart barrel and a 700 rem, action, what do you guys feel the right twist should be, I was thinking 1 to 9, any info would be great,thanks Jerry
 
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1 in 9 will be plenty to stabilize even 80's at the velocities the middlestead can push. Just have to pipe it down when shooting lighter bullets as most won't be able to handle the rpm's. I have a 22 Cheetah with a 1 in 9 and it will blow up 50 grainers unless I get them below 3700 fps or less. If your going to stay at 70 grain bullets or below I would consider 1 in 12 unless you shot 70 gn. VLD's or amaxes then 1 in 10.
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so if I want to shoot 50 gr. or less, I should stick to about a 1-12 twist? I do want to see if I could get about 5000 fps with this gun and still stabilize bullets
 
Originally Posted By: gwbso if I want to shoot 50 gr. or less, I should stick to about a 1-12 twist? I do want to see if I could get about 5000 fps with this gun and still stabilize bullets


not trying to be critical; but i think you just lost alot of help with that statement. 5000 fps REALLY ????
 
I've read that this gun is capable of shooting up to 5200 plus, not reality? just looking for good info, am I best to shoot 50 grs. plus and losing velocity or less grs. and trying to achieve something that isn't reality?
 
gwb.. from what I have read, I think the 5200 fps was with a 30 gr bullet? But even at that, its gotta be pushing a 50 to some pretty respectful number! Good luck. There is a Guy here that hunts alot with the 22-243, hopefully he will chime in.
 
i use a 22-243 but i have a 1-8 twist and run 80 grainers, dont know anything about the lighter bullets, i know mine shoots great but i'm not looking for speed out of mine, ryan
 
Load 1147 in caliber .22-243 Middlestead
LoadID 1147
Bullet Berger HP MEF
BulletWeight 30 grs
Powder Alliant Reloader 15
PowderWeight 50 grs
Primer Federal 210
Brass Make Winchester
Barrel Length (inches)
C.O.L (inches)
Velocity 5278 fps
Group 0.554 (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 3/18/2002 1:06:00 PM
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Gun Info
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Energy 1852 ft-lbs
TKO 5.02
OGW 198 lbs
IPSC PF 158.34


Load 1200 in caliber .22-250 Ackley Improved
LoadID 1200
Bullet Berger MEF
BulletWeight 35 grs
Powder Vihtavuori N135
PowderWeight 46 grs
Primer
Brass Make Remington
Barrel Length (inches)
C.O.L (inches)
Velocity 5130 fps
Group 0.929 (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 3/18/2002 1:25:00 PM
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Energy 2041 ft-lbs
TKO 5.69
OGW 248 lbs
IPSC PF 179.55[color:#3333FF][/color]
 
if I go with a 1-12 or 1- 14 twist I should be able to stabize the light fast stuff, but I wonder how such a fast twist be with heavier bullets such as 70 plus gr. It seems I going to have to decide if I want light or heavy and just stick with it or build 2 guns, ouch!
 
trapper2-Not trying to argue, just a question. If you weren't looking for speed, why the 22-243? I would think that is the sole purpose for this caliber. I like lazer like projectiles and would think that would be the reason for the 22-243, middlestead,cheetah,ect. Plese enlighten me.
 
I would think you would get along fine with a 1-12 at the speed you would be pushing them. A faster twist would blow up your lighter bullets. Just my opinion as I have no experience with that cartridge.
 
My remington 223 with 12 twist will stabalize the 69 gr bullets but not the 75's. The extra speed of the 22-243 will get the 75's to stabalize but not for a long distance. After a few hundred yards the 75's will likely start to tumble.
Ive got about every twist of 22-243 middlested except 16 and 7 twist. The 14 twist barrels shoot the 50 gr bullets and smaller superbly and in fact Ive won some informal shooting matches with them.Most were impressed that I was getting 4 5 shot groups on the same piece of paper that averaged in the low .2's (@ +4300fps) The 60gr bullets and larger dont shoot as well and I havent bothered spending barrel life on those bullets. The 14 twist barrels will get the 30-35gr bullets over 5000fps but so will the 22-250 AI.
The 22-243 doesnt actually have much gain over the 22-250AI until your bullet weigh starts to get over 60'gr.
If your after a barrel twist that shoots all bullet weights, get the 8 twist but expect not to get velocities your after with the lil bullets, they generally wont make the trip especially after the throat starts getting some aligator scale. My old 9 twist barrel blew up 55gr bullets after about a thousands rounds were through it and it was getting very rough. When it was new it would shoot the 50's just fine.
I like Hart barrels but something you need to consider is barrel length. 26" should be a minimum length to consider, anything shorter is giving the cartridge a handycap. My factory barrels that I ream out generally are about 26" long but my custom barrels usually go 28".
Ive killed lots of coyotes with the 22-243. The 40gr bullets tend to splash on coyotes while the 60gr bullets and larger tend to tear up pelts. Im at my happiest using 50gr noslers. Usually always a quarter sized exit hole. The 55'gr noslers are about the same but given a choice between the two, I prefer the extra 200fps I can get out of the 50gr bullets.Average shot for my area is around 200yds but can reach out to 500yds on occasion. The 50gr bullets still tip them over at that distance depending on shot placement. Obviously headshots at 500 are kinda few and far between in most instances, Im happy just to hit them in the chest.
I got your PM. I havent been around the last few days as Ive been out on the ranch hunting coyotes. Im actually using a 22-243 right now and Ive taken 6 so far the last 3 days. I shoulda gotten more but its been horrable fridgid (too cold for the camera too) and Im finding myself sleeping in because I dont wanna get outa bed till the sun is starting to warm things up. LOL.
Anyhow, I stopped at the ranch house to clean up and thought I would check in on ya'll, gotta get back out after-em now. Hope this helps.
 
pyscodog, when i got mine biult i talked to the guy that was going to biuld it, cause i dont know much about wildcats but i was needing something i could kill coyotes, hogs, deer, whatever i came across because i carry one gun and i needed it to do whatever for my job, i do carry a 30-30 for hogs when i know i'm just after them but its mostly this one gun. i told him i wanted flat, and knockdown, its not fast but the bc is good, its pretty flat, and it will out shoot anything i have had before, plus i have killed everything from praire dogs and coyotes up to a 400 pd hog and its done its job, i have only check the speed one time and it was something like 3320 or something, i know i can get it faster but this is the most accurate load i found for it, mine has a 24" hart on it but i wanted a shorter barrel for ease of use, oh and i didnt figure you were looking to argue :), ryan
 
Originally Posted By: JBPrecisionI run an 8 twist on both of my 22-243AI's. I've had the 40's at 5200 out of the 30" barrel with no bullet failures.
That amazing!! which bullets? Thats over 450,000 rpms. I might have to try some 40's in the CHeetah.
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Roadrunner, They were just some Nosler ballistic silvertip coated bullets I had lying around. I don't know what they did after the 100yd mark, I was only playing with them to see how fast i could push them. They might have blown apart after that but they shot well to there. They did one [beeep] of a job on a couple short range groundhogs also. That was a new barrel also. Once your barrel starts to firecrack they might come apart easier. JB
 
I really like the info I'm getting on these wildcat calibers. I have a 243AI, but am curious about the others. Sometimes the 25-06, 308, 30-06, 223,204, are kinda like having chocolate cake every day. Its interesting to learn about the wild childs and why we build them.
OK, tell me more about the Cheetah!!
Speed Kills-ain't that the truth!!
 
Yeah I only got 850 rds out of my first CHeetah Bbl and didn't try the light bullets til after about 400rds. Most rds were 3600 fps 80 gr loads. Groups went from sub 1/2" to sub 6" in the last 50 rds. Looked at it with a borescope and had 2.5" with no rifling left. Rebarreled with a 1-8" and that barrel was real picky on it's loads. So I cut off 5" of the old bbl, tapered it and rechambered it. It now shoots as well as is did when it was 25". Now that its a 20" calling rifle 1-9 won't stabilize the 80's anymore. Figured I lost just enough velocity(rpms) to get the job done. So I played with the JLK 60's and they would rip open a yote pretty bad under 300 yds. but were accurate as h%^^ . I should try the sierra 77's but love the 3700 fps 55gr SGK out of 20"bbl load I have now. Wildcats are a blast but time consuming as well. If I remember right it was a 11 step process just to get a CHeetah round ready for fireform. But I started with LC match 308's that I had an abundance of. 22-243 should be alot easier to prepare cases for fireform. Everyone said I didn't need to push the CHeetah that hard and I'd said that's what I built it for. Barrels are just like tires on a hot rod. You go fast and you'll chew em up.
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pyscodog the 22-243 and the cheetah are real close in the barrel burning charts. If you want a real throat eater think about the .224 Clark. .257 Roberts blown out and necked down to .224.
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Ive got a 224 clark, Ive been thinking about a 22-284 as a "real" barrel burner...LOL

Ive got a friend that has a 22-6mmRem AI that he likes too.

If youve ever wanted to try the 77gr SMKs, I say go for it. They are very accurate bullets and easy to tune when compared to the 80gr SMKs.
 
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