Mil-Dot Question

jlorensen

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I received a mil-dot scope for Christmas last yesr...just now looking to mount it on my 22-250. Read through the paperwork, and it references distance between dots as 3.6 inches at 100 yards. It also tells how to calculate range based on mil height and a known height of an object. OK, here is my question. The paperwork references all this info stateing that the scope is on 9 power.....will the distance between dots be the same regardless of the power setting???? My plan is to zero the scope at 100 yards, and just assume that the next lower dot is 3.6 inches below. If there is a better methodology, please inform me, as I am new to this mil-dot thing.
Thanks for your time,
joe
 
Google "Mil-Dot master". Trying to explain subtension via text requires somebody better with words than me, and certainly someone will come along and give it a go.

The "Mil-Dot Master" is my recommendation to you.


Chupa
 
Quote:will the distance between dots be the same regardless of the power setting????

Probably not. It is likely the reticle subtensions will only work out on 9 power unless it is a very high dollar first focal plane scope.

A 100 yard zero is a good idea. If you are going to use the mildots for holdover you will have to do some serious calculating. I think your best bet is to get a MilDot Master and dial your come ups. You can also print a drop chart from a ballistic calculator and do the math on your come ups each time.

If you never shoot over 300 to 350 yards, you might consider using an MPBR sight in. (of course depending on your target size and caliber) The MilDot shines beyond this range.

 
I would go shoot to figure everything out. i would also zero the 22-250 at 200. just easier that way because you will not use your first mil dot for 200. my 250 shoots about .6in high at 100 and its zeroed at 200. if it is a nikon scope then you can go onto their now nikon spoton website and it will help you figure out roughly where your gun will shoot with each mil dot. also the distances change if you adjust the power of the scope. if it is a 16x scope like mine the first mil dot is 400 yards. if i turn it down to say like 12x then that mil dot is around 500.
 
Thanks guys....did a little reading last night, and now have a better understanding of how this thing works. Seems like it can be very handy once I become proficient.
 
Now for a new qeustion. Looked through the thread attached above, and it is stated that if your scope is calibrated to range with 10x (3.6 inches between dots) then at 20x, there will be 1.8 inches between dots. By this logic, would there then be 7.2 inches between dots at 5x.......this stuff is great for my engineering mind, mixing hunting/shooting/math...life is great!!!!
 
Yes JL, reticle subtension is inversely proportional to magnification. As u DECREASE power, reticle subtension INCREASES. This can easily be seen right out some window of your house probably on something like house bricks at a distance. At 10x the mil will cover X amount of area at any particular distance and at .5 that power (5) it will cover 2X. The problem is that few power rings are calibrated properly for magnification, but they will be close. For downrange zeroing that's OK, but not for rangefinding as ranges increase.

I use all my multi-stadia reticles for rangefinding at the optic's highest power, since the smaller the subtension, the more accurate reticle-rangefinding is. Of course the "MDM" some of the guys mentioned here can't really be used when the mil is no longer 3.6 IPHY between dot centers without calc'ing a factor, but i don't use that anyway--especially since i'm not usually using a mil-dot reticle. I use many ballistic and some rangefinding reticles but they are just as handy for this purpose, some even more so.

When calc'ing a reticle-rangefinding system for my reticles i put the info in a Butler Creek Blizzard-style objective style cover for very fast reference--if i ever need it.

If your an engineer this stuff oughtta' be right up your alley. The math is simple--5 unknowns in the equation ("mil-ranging formula") that should be detailed somewhere in that link--easily memorized with some experience. Nice thing about it is u can reverse mil the formula too to calculate any of the other unknowns once 4 are determined (target size being the only other real unknown u would probably ever use).

Have fun--this stuff is a kick to play with, sometimes yielding some truly eye-opening results.
 
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Good stuff sscoyote. I can't find my mil-dot master and blew a shot on a late season antelope today. Looking back at link to the other thread helped me realize my mathematical error, which in this case was a whopping 143 yards!!

It does pay to practice and memorize the math without any tools. ('cept a calculator
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Hey CS--i'm also going out tomorrow for 2 doe permits and a buddy has one. Was supposed to go out a couple days ago 2 scout for my buddy, but got sick (thanks grandkids). Man i was PO'd. Here's the system set up for this reticle for coyotes (11" back to brisket) using a .5 mil subtension unit (1.8 IPHY) instead of 1 mil. This is about as fast a system as i could think of--

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"P"=point blank range
 
That looks simple, yet remarkably effective.

Good stuff.

The wife filled her doe tag today, I am headed out again tomorrow. Maybe I can try again.

Good luck SS, let us know how you do.
 
Hey CS, congrats for your wife--glassed a lot of country this afternoon and didn't see anything. Maybe tomorrow--shoulda' been coyote hunting i guess--i'm always stumbling over them then...
 
This year I started using an ipod with JBM tactical in it. It's even faster
and larger for these older eyes of mine. Nothing like having wind speed
and direction as well as weather all at the flick of a finger.
 
Hey BW--i think that's the one my buddy has on his too. It's set up for the 87 V-Max out of his AR-10 243. He kept refining the profile until he settled on a G5 drag function i think--something like that. He killed an antelope doe at 710 couple days ago--a badger too--which i just got done skinning (that was fun).

Oh yeah--here's a link to the story/pics--

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2207460&gonew=1#UNREAD
 
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