FoxproSteve
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Gary,
The Scorpion comes with 100 sounds of your choice not 50.
We have about 300 sounds for our customer to choose from.
I saw you were comparing Speakers between the OCC and the U1 here are some other speaker comparisons:
The Scorpion has a 77mm Mylar speaker vs a 66mm paper speaker on the M1.
The OCCs you reference us a 100mm cone speaker vs. a 66mm cone speaker for the U1 ans BCB.
You mentioned battery voltages but failed to mention battery capacity.
The BCB uses a 1.2Ah hour battery at 12 volts the OCC uses a 2.6Ah hour battery with 8AA's.
You gave the other guy a C grade with his 12VDC 2.2Ah pack.
Quote:
Battery life... C (average) C'mon, it's just a 10 x AA NiMH battery pack - do the math
A couple of questions for you on batteries and how they can relate to performance:
1. How much does the 2 extra cell or the extra voltage help you in audio performance knowing that you have to double the output power to get 3dB and also knowing that 2dB is the smallest percievable change most peaple can hear?
The answer is very very little.
2. How much does it hurt you in battery performence with a class AB BTL amplifier and the other linear components that are used? Keeping in mind when you double your power the output stage is drawing twice the power from the battery not to mention the increased idling current when a higher voltage is applied to the power amp and the other linear power devices.
The answer is quite a bit.
Do you always call at Maximum Volume?
As I said the OCC,and Scorpion can run on 10AA's but that will not yield the consumer any noteworthy audio performance improvements but it will however yield a noticable loss in battery life.
I've posted this link several times and it is a great resource for audio basics chapter 4 in particular.
http://www.toaelectronics.com/manuals/TOA_Speaker_Guide.pdf
The OCC is a custom shop unit and it can be ordered in many different configurations as it is not a production model. I can even put a metal speaker on the OCC for someone if they really want one, but what are the speakers attached to on both units? A plastic housing.
doggin coyotes,
Mike touched on S/N ratio and that becomes very evident when you turn the volume down and the "hiss" is still plainly evident.
You say it means nothing on e-callers. That may very well be true but the problem lies when companies say they have the ultimate in sound quality.
However if the S/N is such that you cannot hear the low audio sections of the recorded sound because those sections are being masked by the "hiss" or other unwanted signals being generated by the playback device then S/N ratio becomes far more important. You can do tricks such as heavy compression that throws away the natural dynamic range to give an apearence of an artificaly high S/N ratio. Is this to be considered ultimate in sound quality by manipiulating the true very high dynamic range of animals vocalizations? Does this manipulation even matter? Maybe not. I feel it is far more important to have a great emotional sound.
That is our big hang-up with some in this industry as they claim one thing but the math does not add up. Why do they make those claims or statements? We don't claim false high wattage numbers or ridiculously low THD numbers out of our amps as some do but fail to mention what the DAC does.
What THD figure does the speaker themselves add? Well the fact that some wrap the horn speaker to make them sound better is a good clue on how the speakers themselves add alot of distortion products to the system.
Your right you can call plenty of critters with shall we say less then stellar S/N Ratio and frequency response. Historical and imperical data proved that. Yes Critters are easy to please.
The old classic callers like the 416 were called toys by many and they called lots of critters but we never claimed them to be the ultimate in sound quality.
When we do our seminar in Kansas we will show how this all falls into place. Many will be surprised on just how little some of this matters when you understand the big picture.
The Scorpion comes with 100 sounds of your choice not 50.
We have about 300 sounds for our customer to choose from.
I saw you were comparing Speakers between the OCC and the U1 here are some other speaker comparisons:
The Scorpion has a 77mm Mylar speaker vs a 66mm paper speaker on the M1.
The OCCs you reference us a 100mm cone speaker vs. a 66mm cone speaker for the U1 ans BCB.
You mentioned battery voltages but failed to mention battery capacity.
The BCB uses a 1.2Ah hour battery at 12 volts the OCC uses a 2.6Ah hour battery with 8AA's.
You gave the other guy a C grade with his 12VDC 2.2Ah pack.
Quote:
Battery life... C (average) C'mon, it's just a 10 x AA NiMH battery pack - do the math
A couple of questions for you on batteries and how they can relate to performance:
1. How much does the 2 extra cell or the extra voltage help you in audio performance knowing that you have to double the output power to get 3dB and also knowing that 2dB is the smallest percievable change most peaple can hear?
The answer is very very little.
2. How much does it hurt you in battery performence with a class AB BTL amplifier and the other linear components that are used? Keeping in mind when you double your power the output stage is drawing twice the power from the battery not to mention the increased idling current when a higher voltage is applied to the power amp and the other linear power devices.
The answer is quite a bit.
Do you always call at Maximum Volume?
As I said the OCC,and Scorpion can run on 10AA's but that will not yield the consumer any noteworthy audio performance improvements but it will however yield a noticable loss in battery life.
I've posted this link several times and it is a great resource for audio basics chapter 4 in particular.
http://www.toaelectronics.com/manuals/TOA_Speaker_Guide.pdf
The OCC is a custom shop unit and it can be ordered in many different configurations as it is not a production model. I can even put a metal speaker on the OCC for someone if they really want one, but what are the speakers attached to on both units? A plastic housing.
doggin coyotes,
Mike touched on S/N ratio and that becomes very evident when you turn the volume down and the "hiss" is still plainly evident.
You say it means nothing on e-callers. That may very well be true but the problem lies when companies say they have the ultimate in sound quality.
However if the S/N is such that you cannot hear the low audio sections of the recorded sound because those sections are being masked by the "hiss" or other unwanted signals being generated by the playback device then S/N ratio becomes far more important. You can do tricks such as heavy compression that throws away the natural dynamic range to give an apearence of an artificaly high S/N ratio. Is this to be considered ultimate in sound quality by manipiulating the true very high dynamic range of animals vocalizations? Does this manipulation even matter? Maybe not. I feel it is far more important to have a great emotional sound.
That is our big hang-up with some in this industry as they claim one thing but the math does not add up. Why do they make those claims or statements? We don't claim false high wattage numbers or ridiculously low THD numbers out of our amps as some do but fail to mention what the DAC does.
What THD figure does the speaker themselves add? Well the fact that some wrap the horn speaker to make them sound better is a good clue on how the speakers themselves add alot of distortion products to the system.
Your right you can call plenty of critters with shall we say less then stellar S/N Ratio and frequency response. Historical and imperical data proved that. Yes Critters are easy to please.
The old classic callers like the 416 were called toys by many and they called lots of critters but we never claimed them to be the ultimate in sound quality.
When we do our seminar in Kansas we will show how this all falls into place. Many will be surprised on just how little some of this matters when you understand the big picture.