Mini 14 re-test....better!

Curt Barrett

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Well I got back out the weekend before last and tried the Mini out again. Before I went out I tried doing the gas block mod. I was a bit less precise in doing the procedure than the internet instructions suggested. I disassembled the gas block and used a med grit ceramic block on the upper half. This wasn't doing much so I took a wide flat file and locked it down on my work bench. Then removed some material from the gas block. It was slow going too. I removed a little less than suggested but enough to increase the gap. Then polished a bit with the ceramic stone.

I didn't have a inch lb torque wrench at my house. Only foot lb so I made my best effort at evenly tightening the block halves by hand and maintaining the same gap on both sides.

Then I headed for the range to try it out. I tried the same factory Black Hills 52 gr MHP that I used last time to see how much difference my attempted mod might have. Last time these bullets produced a 6 1/2” group. Conditions were about the same as last time. About 70 degrees with a light breeze.

I took 5 shots. The first two were near the center and a little under an inch. The following 3 shots opened the group to 4.905. A noticeable improvement over last time but still pretty disappointing. I have to say the trigger is a major handicap on this rifle and makes it a challenge. I did my best to exercise good trigger control and kept the rifle steady in the bags while shooting. Here is the Black Hills target.

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I had scrounged up 9 handloads I had left. They were some Sierra 55 gr. BTHPs over a charge of Varget I use on coyotes. Always a good performer in my ARs. I shot 5 then looked through the spotting scope and was pleasantly surprised to see a pretty normal rifle group and not a shotgun pattern. It measured 1.825. I thought I had just got lucky. I outlined each of the first 5 shots with a black felt marker and circled the group. After the barrel cooled a couple minutes I loaded the remaining 4 in the mag and shot them. Those are the shots with the diagonal line through them. 3 of the 4 shots were in the circle with the first 5 and measured just under 1.500 with the 4th opening the group to 1.870. Respectable for a Mini. During that 4 shot string I felt I pulled the 3rd shot. However I don't know if it is the one that opened the group up. When it was all said and done 8 of the 9 shots went into 1 3/4”. I can live with that. Heck, I could even hunt coyotes with it if it keeps that up. I voided the heck out of my warranty but oh well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I'll have to load some more and see if it was a fluke. And if the trigger got some attention that could only help more. Here is a pic of the handload target. Again the first 5 shots are outlined in black and the final 4 have a diagonal line though. The upper right hole is actually 2 that key holed from the first and second groups.

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No and I wish I had. I really don't know if the gas block thing did much but I didn't follow the guidelines for that procedure to the full extent either. It probably helped a little. I think it was mostly the change of ammo that helped though.
 
If you go to Perfectunion.com, the most highly recommended trigger work is being done by a guy in Salem, OR. It's quite reasonable. Your Mini is shooting better groups than 90% of them already and as good as many stock hunting rifles. There's nothing you can do about the stringing as it the stock barrel heats up.
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It probably helped a little.


Yeah, it always seems to. It makes you wonder why Ruger doesn't torque them at the factory. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
I don't think they care, but that's just me.
 
Have you tried the heavier bullets (60plus grainers)? I believe I tried some 75 gr. match bullets from Black Hills and they worked pretty darned well in mine, when I had it. I never had groups like the top and most where like your reloads. Stock everything, including trigger, with a Burris 3-9 Compact scope and Harris benrest bipod.
 
Evil, you must be talking about that GunDoc fella I hear about. I might have to look him up. That would be an inexpensive improvement.

rolly, I haven't tried anything heavier than 55 gr yet. Having some encouraging results makes me want to experiment some more though. I'll give it a try.

Good hunting
 
Better for sure than the last post we saw. Now so is the mini more, less or the same as it competetor the black rifle? When I looked into it a couple of years back it seemed that the mini was the same price, correct?
 
That IS better... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

For what it's worth, I've always liked how the Mini 14 handles & looks.
It's a reliable rifle, but, I just can't get past how most of them pattern at 100 yards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I truly wish Ruger itself would step up to the plate & make them more accurate, without weighing 9 pounds.

I frankly feel if they did that, the sporting market would really open up for them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Through the years, I've owned about every configuration of the Mini 14....& I would still have one if I had shot one that would group consistantly.
I had a stainless Ranch Rifle that would group 2" at 100, & sometimes a little better....But, that was letting the barrel cool ALL the way down between shots.

If I shot say, 2 rounds per minute, the stringing got really bad, so I said Adios to it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Barry
 
Curt,

Yes, GunDoc in Salem. I'm going to send in the trigger group out of my stainless Ranch rifle soon. If I can get one of my Minis to shoot as well as yours does now, I'll be satisfied. I just put a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9 silver scope on it, but haven't taken it out yet.
 
Yeah CW some of the entry level models of ARs are about the same price as a Mini. I paid $650 for my Mini and there are some ARs going for about that. Triggers on those model ARs will be about the same as the Mini.

Rockinbbar, I agree. I think if they put a little heavier barrel on, say something in between what they have now on the Ranch and the Target model, it would be a big improvement. Maybe a few steel pillar pins in the stock to support the receiver. And of course a little TLC on the trigger and gas block. These few small improvements would not cost them much and actually increase profits by shaking that bad reputation it has got making it more competitive in the marketplace.

I actually sent them a link to my first thread and told them to do a search for other Min threads to get a feel for how there product is thought of. I was real polite simply saying it was some free feedback. lol! They replied saying thank you, they would check it out. Don't know if they did though.

Evil, I'll probably send my trigger in too. I hope it wasn't a freak accident shooting a couple good groups. I got some brass in the tumbler and will do some reloading this week and hopefully be able to shoot some more this weekend. I'll keep you guys posted. (or bored to tears. lol!)

Take care
 
Hi Carl! Must have been typing when you posted.

It's actually been pretty fun playing with this thing. Especially after it improved. lol! I'll try some more different loads and see what happens.

Need to find a good deal on mags. That might be the biggest challenge. lol!

Take care
 


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