Mountain lion in western NY

knockemdown,
A Missouri Conservation Agent video taped a mountain lion on a deer kill less than a mile from my favorite hunting grounds. I'm waiting to call one in when I'm squalling for coyotes and bobcats! We have a pretty good population of black bear in that area and I was lucky enough to call one of them a few years ago. At first I couldn't quite understand what I was seeing, I thought it was one of our wild/feral hogs. When I realized what it was I think I forgot to breath for a minute or two - awesome sight.
 
Originally Posted By: On the fenceWhen she refused to surrender it, they basically forcably gave her the old "You didn't see a thing, keep your mouth shut, don't be showing the tape around."


A cat in western NY is quite believable if not probable, check this out: http://www.cougarnet.org/totalus.html

For years, reports of a big cat in the Twin Cities, MN area was laughed at and written off as local legend until a cougar was confirmed on film in Savage, MN on a deer kill near a grainery. Deer eating spilled grain; cougar eating deer. Savage, MN is a Minneapolis suburb.

However, I find it a little weird that a threat would be delivered over the issue; it's a big cat, not a X-file episode!!
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Wild animals are very adaptable. My brother in law and his wife live in Brookline, Mass, a district of Boston. My sister in law told me the other day that they have a flock of between 11-15 turkeys and at least one coyote. This is a VERY populated area. Go figure!!
 
I continue to hear how the PGC wants to keep Mt Lions on the down low....but every reason stated makes no sense.

If its proven that there is a wild breeding population of Mt Lions in Pa...Pa stands to gain A LOT of funding for endangered/possibly extinct species.

Being from Pa I get tired of hear the..."I was in a bar and so and so said...." Or "I witnessed the trucks releasing them on the state game lands" But there is never a clear concise picture of one.

I am also a land owner in the Pa Wilds...and have yet to see one, but see tons of bear, bobcats, yotes and every other animal known in Pa..but not a Mt Lion ????
 
knockemdown.....I would love to see that pic. I'm not very far from Sanitaria Springs and only 5 miles from Willet. Might have to sneak up that way.
As for the Otters in NY, I live 2 miles from Dorchester Lake and there are state signs all over warning the area is an Otter habitat, or something like that.
 
There is no way in western NY that a mountain lion could live all winter including deer season and not have multiple hunters encountering tracks. We are way too populated as hunters and saturate the woods, a lion travels many square miles in their territory thus leaving tracks, I've been along with the DEC investigating the Mountain Lion claims and they have all been false so far. If you shot a Mountain Lion in NY with a bow the DEC would not just take the animal and tell you goodbye, it would cost you a bunch after court time, both state and federal for the endangered species. Just my 2 cents worth, I hunt where I never see any other foot tracks and still haven't seen mountain lion tracks, saw bears, bobcats and otters. They can't fly so give me pictures of a good foot track or a video that is clear and not all blurred up ( with cameras now I can't believe how many blurry mountain lion video's there are) I don't doubt they could live here, just skeptical with no proof. I enjoy the woods as they are, don't need the mountain lions here to attack my kids like California...lol
 
a guy i work with picked up a roadkilled fisher in penneville late last winter (i personally held the carcuss). i spotted a otter family three times this summer on the seneca river just west of port byron, while in my kayak. no pic's but have the cooridinates(sp) and could put you right in their living room if ya wanted. i personally don't believe theres any lions in NY, but do believe it's possible for one to show up. just look at the miles one can travel in a day, won't take long to get here. most people would say that there's no bear's in geddes, yet one was shot out off a tree last year after in walked there from waterloo.
 
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Ok..what do you guys think @ this one?
The lion was allegedly killed by a truck near State college, Pa -Raystown lake area and dragged to this man's garage. Game agency still denies they exist in PA. I have vacationed with the family near Coudersport PA (northwestern PA) and farmers have had cows attacked by some large cat(s).
They had left classic claw marks either side of the cow's neck as the cows struggled to get away.....I like to carry my Ruger super blackhawk in .44 mag sometimes if I know I'm going into deep boonies.Eerie feeling thinking you could be the prey as well as the predator .
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Dan L., Not trying to start an argument, but I think that same photo was posted on this board a couple of years ago with another location...There have been a lot of 'cat' photos posted on hearsay on the internet that have been proven to be false...

Here is the link to the same photo on Snopes from 2008 that was supposedly killed by a truck in AZ that is TRUE..

AZ MT Liom - 2007
 
Dan,
That is a whopper, both in tale - and in tail. The truth is it is an Arizona lion, great big one too.
 
So it's been almost a year and the original poster never returned with the picture or details...funny how that happens.
 
Must be the secret agents, that always show up in the story and order the witness to be quiet, got to the old lady. Must have taken her out to keep their top secret "stocking" program from getting revealed. Heck, just last week we had a farmer in Chautauaqua County, NY who shot a Mt. Lion that had DEC tags in it's ears. Yep, you guessed it, the secret agents showed up and confiscated the carcass and told him that he better not tell anyone, OR ELSE!
 
A friend of mine spotted what he said was a Mountain Lion not long ago crossing the road near his house another friend took a photo of the tracks and verified it as a lion track now what nobody believes unless ya have a photo so we keep our eyes on the lookout while we are hunting in the ADK's and are always ready for the shot.....
 
I have never seen a big cat in the forest in my life, and that is with thousands of hours in the field.

With that being said, reports are coming in more and more about Mountain Lion sightings in the Bershire mountains.

I tend to believe most of the sightings reported by hunters in the field, as I have a hard time believing you could mistake a Mountain Lion for anything other than a Mountain Lion.
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I'm sure there must be a small population.
 
Originally Posted By: GEORGE ACKLEYwell, I have proof that there is a MT Lion in PA,


You got one mounted at home, don't ya?
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you got me
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But i made shore when I did shoot my last one I got some good photos with my Pennsylvania Game Commission hat on.



I posted back then as a game officer with a tranquilized cat ready for release in up state PA, thought the hat would get somthing started on the pa sight

I kinda look official
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George, I am surprised that picture didn't show up about 10,000 times in the eastern half of the country and every time the poster said something like... "My buddy ran over this cat in XYZ County, blah, blah, blah..." Funny stuff that is!
 
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