Cougar i know of two that arnt in that list,the one i described before and one where a 2 year old boy was killed in his front yard,they only found small pieces of him and the lion was never killed,his mother saw the lion grab him and run off and there was nothing she could do.
Mountain Lions What can I do?
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Longcruise
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Cougar i know of two that arnt in that list,the one i described before and one where a 2 year old boy was killed in his front yard,they only found small pieces of him and the lion was never killed,his mother saw the lion grab him and run off and there was nothing she could do.
I think many encounters go unreported unless there is an actual injury.
A friend of mine was pursued in a most strange way by a lion while camping along the Delores River below McPhee res. several years ago. He climbed a hill to take some sunset photos and while at his camera heard a huge ruckus in the pinyons not far from him. When he went to investigate, he encountered a lion who began to approach him in a low to the ground posture. He turned and left and the lion pursued him. Now, anyone who knows anything about lions knows this cat could have caught him if it wanted to. It simply pursued him as fast as my friend could run. Then he fell down and the cat stopped and watched him. He got up and started to leave and the lion pursued him again.
We theorized that the lion had made a kill when he heard the ruckus and was simply making sure he kept my friend away from it.
And, I know, don't run from the lion! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My friend however is not a hunter and not much of an outdoorsman so he didn't know and that fact probably applys to most city types who encounter a lion in the wild.
Cougar i know of two that arnt in that list,the one i described before and one where a 2 year old boy was killed in his front yard,they only found small pieces of him and the lion was never killed,his mother saw the lion grab him and run off and there was nothing she could do.
I think many encounters go unreported unless there is an actual injury.
A friend of mine was pursued in a most strange way by a lion while camping along the Delores River below McPhee res. several years ago. He climbed a hill to take some sunset photos and while at his camera heard a huge ruckus in the pinyons not far from him. When he went to investigate, he encountered a lion who began to approach him in a low to the ground posture. He turned and left and the lion pursued him. Now, anyone who knows anything about lions knows this cat could have caught him if it wanted to. It simply pursued him as fast as my friend could run. Then he fell down and the cat stopped and watched him. He got up and started to leave and the lion pursued him again.
We theorized that the lion had made a kill when he heard the ruckus and was simply making sure he kept my friend away from it.
And, I know, don't run from the lion! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My friend however is not a hunter and not much of an outdoorsman so he didn't know and that fact probably applys to most city types who encounter a lion in the wild.
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Handirifle
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Three 44s
You and some other members, IMHO, have hijacked this thread. You think people should be able to hunt ML in your State, great! I agree, if I lived in your state I would vote with you for your rights to protect your land and property.
But here is my gripe; you are trying to scare a guy in OK from taking his kid hunting as some kind of push to you to allow hunting of ML in your state. That’s selfish and wrong.
If you think I have "hijacked" this thread or tried to get sympathy for whether or not we can hunts cats, sir, you are dead wrong. I just would not, for one advise someone to keep going out in lion country, where the lions are OBVIOUSLY losing their fear of man in that area,(as was pointed out by his comments) and think that as long as they were beside me that my or HIS children would come to no harm cause kitty won't attack as long as dad is nearby.
I pointed out my observations and information, not to prevent any child from ever learning to hunt, but to let him grow old enough to do so.
IMHO teaching them to carry on the hunting tradition is NOT the most important thing, but insuring their continued health and welfare is. Hunting, fishing and camping are certainly traditions to pass on and cherish, but not if their lives could be in peril.
I gave my opinion, you gave yours. Let the dad decide to chance it or not. Thinking animals fear you because of your size is foolhardy. Sure it MIGHT help to raise your arms and pretend to be bigger than you are, but there is little proof this actually prevents a lion from attacking that was hunting you. Read all the CA attacks and you'll find NONE where there was time to turn and see the cat before it struck, much less try to scare it away. Like I pointed out about the Breeding Compound cats, his speed in that 20'+ leap was unbelievably scary, and much more powerful than I had ever dreamed.
I cannot remember how many times I have seen a very small dog growl, snap and bite a much larger dog, why would a lion be any different? Bear dogs have no fear in going after a 400lb bear, so why would a 250lb lion fear a 200lb man when he was in the way of a 50lb meal?
I'd rather keep my kids home until the cat was removed, it that meant a season lost, better a season than a son.
Three 44s
You and some other members, IMHO, have hijacked this thread. You think people should be able to hunt ML in your State, great! I agree, if I lived in your state I would vote with you for your rights to protect your land and property.
But here is my gripe; you are trying to scare a guy in OK from taking his kid hunting as some kind of push to you to allow hunting of ML in your state. That’s selfish and wrong.
If you think I have "hijacked" this thread or tried to get sympathy for whether or not we can hunts cats, sir, you are dead wrong. I just would not, for one advise someone to keep going out in lion country, where the lions are OBVIOUSLY losing their fear of man in that area,(as was pointed out by his comments) and think that as long as they were beside me that my or HIS children would come to no harm cause kitty won't attack as long as dad is nearby.
I pointed out my observations and information, not to prevent any child from ever learning to hunt, but to let him grow old enough to do so.
IMHO teaching them to carry on the hunting tradition is NOT the most important thing, but insuring their continued health and welfare is. Hunting, fishing and camping are certainly traditions to pass on and cherish, but not if their lives could be in peril.
I gave my opinion, you gave yours. Let the dad decide to chance it or not. Thinking animals fear you because of your size is foolhardy. Sure it MIGHT help to raise your arms and pretend to be bigger than you are, but there is little proof this actually prevents a lion from attacking that was hunting you. Read all the CA attacks and you'll find NONE where there was time to turn and see the cat before it struck, much less try to scare it away. Like I pointed out about the Breeding Compound cats, his speed in that 20'+ leap was unbelievably scary, and much more powerful than I had ever dreamed.
I cannot remember how many times I have seen a very small dog growl, snap and bite a much larger dog, why would a lion be any different? Bear dogs have no fear in going after a 400lb bear, so why would a 250lb lion fear a 200lb man when he was in the way of a 50lb meal?
I'd rather keep my kids home until the cat was removed, it that meant a season lost, better a season than a son.
Radd4
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Okay to settle this whole thing I have decided to set fire to Roosters property from all directions and wait for the d*@# cats to run out, and then my brothers and I will blast them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif Rooster I'm just kidding. I wouldn't shoot the cat, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif again just joking I would never set fire to any property. I appreciate everyone’s views and comments. I take my sons safety at all times very seriously, and it is very important to pass on to him what my grandfather taught me at a young age. To be a good citizen you must be a good steward of the land and the wildlife that lives there. When I made this post I was looking for tips on keeping them away and maybe some ways to get them to move on. I did not intend to start an all out war on this site. I have talked at lengths with Rooster he makes a lot of sense, and makes some good points. I am going to stay ever vigilant and if I still see them (or evidence they are still there) before deer season in October I will let Rooster know so he can call the trapper. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif In the meantime little “radd” will stay home and play basketball until I know what is what.
Handirifle
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Radd4
I hope they go away or can be caught. Never meant to be a war participant either, just passing along info. We all must gather as much info as possible to make our OWN educated choice. Sounds like you have and hope all goes well.
My choices are not necessarily best for you or anyone else, just my choices.
I did think your last response was pretty funny though /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Rooster might have a slight objection.
Keep a sharp eye and good hunting to you and the kids.
I hope they go away or can be caught. Never meant to be a war participant either, just passing along info. We all must gather as much info as possible to make our OWN educated choice. Sounds like you have and hope all goes well.
My choices are not necessarily best for you or anyone else, just my choices.
I did think your last response was pretty funny though /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Rooster might have a slight objection.
Keep a sharp eye and good hunting to you and the kids.
BHauser,
When given the choice between acting out the Disney Channel and telling the truth, I will take the truth.
Sugar coating dangers like a habituated cougar is fool hardy at best. Involving small children is even less advisable ....... this forum's rules on posting preclude me from saying what I really thing about it.
And furthermore, whether I or anyone else gets to pursue cougars in my state is up to our citizens, not yours or Radd4's.
It was pitfully obvious to myself and other posters that in fact there was a complete lack of knowledge as to what cougars really are about.
If I had a serious question about my car, for example, I WOULD CONSULT A MECHANIC!
We, who live in states with surplus cats can answer better than someone mistakenly accessing web sites that underplay the situation and have little or no working knowledge of the problem.
Take this one fact: The information that you were passing along was presumed upon the fact that cougars are afraid of people! That was largely true a few decades ago. But with a life span of 10 to 15 years all the cougs that could have been pursued and thus imprinted have deceased! AND to top it all, Radd4's own original post blows that theory out of the water!
THESE ARE NOT OUR FATHER'S COUGARS!!!!!
The written drival put out by appologists for the left is fast running out of air! Puma is about to write it's next chapter of history!
Three 44s
When given the choice between acting out the Disney Channel and telling the truth, I will take the truth.
Sugar coating dangers like a habituated cougar is fool hardy at best. Involving small children is even less advisable ....... this forum's rules on posting preclude me from saying what I really thing about it.
And furthermore, whether I or anyone else gets to pursue cougars in my state is up to our citizens, not yours or Radd4's.
It was pitfully obvious to myself and other posters that in fact there was a complete lack of knowledge as to what cougars really are about.
If I had a serious question about my car, for example, I WOULD CONSULT A MECHANIC!
We, who live in states with surplus cats can answer better than someone mistakenly accessing web sites that underplay the situation and have little or no working knowledge of the problem.
Take this one fact: The information that you were passing along was presumed upon the fact that cougars are afraid of people! That was largely true a few decades ago. But with a life span of 10 to 15 years all the cougs that could have been pursued and thus imprinted have deceased! AND to top it all, Radd4's own original post blows that theory out of the water!
THESE ARE NOT OUR FATHER'S COUGARS!!!!!
The written drival put out by appologists for the left is fast running out of air! Puma is about to write it's next chapter of history!
Three 44s
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Radd4
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Whoa there Three 44's,
Partner I never commented on your right to hunt cats nor did I say it was any of my business. If you want to go shoot Bigfoot that is your prerogative as long as it is legal where you are hunting. I could care less because it does not affect me or mine. I never told you that I thought anything you said was over the edge, or that I thought anything negative about your beliefs. so please do not drag me into this argument. I do think that this got out of hand, I was looking for some good advice and I got it. I got alot of good points and I gleaned some insight from your information as well. But this is not a war about if, when, or should cats be hunted. It was about how can I insure my son’s safety and should I be concerned. To be honest right now I am a little worried about some of the neighbors Tabby's running around the neighborhood. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I am just joking please do not take that joke seriously. I do appreciate input that is why I made the post. I have really enjoyed talking to you guy’s that have emailed me and learned some good info.
Radd4,
Whoa what????
I posted to BHauser.
The top line was to Handirifle but not meant to him, the addressing line reads: "BHauser,"
I refer to your original post on in passing pointing out that the description you mention describes habituated cats!
This is merely pointing out a fact from your post. Nothing implied. Only an illustration that the fallousy of fearful cats is just that...... a farse!
The point about voting for or against cougar hunting in my home state is a reference again to Mr. BHauser's post. Go back to his post where he claims I highjacked your post for personal political reasons. He claims that I am purposely scaring your child to stay home to get votes to get my state cleared to hunt cougars.
Three 44s
Whoa what????
I posted to BHauser.
The top line was to Handirifle but not meant to him, the addressing line reads: "BHauser,"
I refer to your original post on in passing pointing out that the description you mention describes habituated cats!
This is merely pointing out a fact from your post. Nothing implied. Only an illustration that the fallousy of fearful cats is just that...... a farse!
The point about voting for or against cougar hunting in my home state is a reference again to Mr. BHauser's post. Go back to his post where he claims I highjacked your post for personal political reasons. He claims that I am purposely scaring your child to stay home to get votes to get my state cleared to hunt cougars.
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Handirifle
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Radd4,
Whoa what????
I posted to BHauser.
The top line was to Handirifle but not meant to him, the addressing line reads: "BHauser,"
Did I miss something?
Radd4,
Whoa what????
I posted to BHauser.
The top line was to Handirifle but not meant to him, the addressing line reads: "BHauser,"
Did I miss something?
Radd4
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And furthermore, whether I or anyone else gets to pursue cougars in my state is up to our citizens, not yours or Radd4's.
I took your post wrong I guess, I thought you were saying I was against you hunting cats and I never said that. I also thought you were telling me to mind my own business. I guess I just took it wrong. My bad !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
And furthermore, whether I or anyone else gets to pursue cougars in my state is up to our citizens, not yours or Radd4's.
I took your post wrong I guess, I thought you were saying I was against you hunting cats and I never said that. I also thought you were telling me to mind my own business. I guess I just took it wrong. My bad !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Radd4,
No problem. All is forgotten. My mistake in not making my point perfectly clear on the voting from one state to another.
I am sorry to raise your hackels, I was only using your name and instance as an example.
You (rightly so) raised the issue that cats were TOO CLOSE .......... that's the crux of the problem .......
..... and I followed suit.
Without habituated cats there would be no problem.
Three 44s
No problem. All is forgotten. My mistake in not making my point perfectly clear on the voting from one state to another.
I am sorry to raise your hackels, I was only using your name and instance as an example.
You (rightly so) raised the issue that cats were TOO CLOSE .......... that's the crux of the problem .......
..... and I followed suit.
Without habituated cats there would be no problem.
Three 44s
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