Need some hound help

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getfoxy

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I just recently bought a male Walker to breed and help start my female walker. My problem is that when he trees he dosent tree real hard. He will be at the tree when you get there but dosent want to stay on it. He likes to sit and look up in the tree and bark. He gets on it then off of it. I have had him out twice since I got him. When he trees I never seem to see the coon. Is he just real inaccurate? How do I fix these problems? BTW he has had coons shot out to him before. Its like he knows what hes doing but..well I dont know, any advice?
 
one of the best hounds I owned would tree back off of the tree a bit especially around other hounds. it came in handy around fussy tree dogs. As time went on I discovered that he was usually looking at the coon.
As for the other thing knock a few hot ones out to him and it may get better.
Man I miss my hounds!
 
Shooting game out to a dog will make most dogs looser at the tree. If this is happening I would tie the dog back before shooting any game out to him.
I would sure enough find out if there is coon in the tree before I would do anything.If there isn't anything in the tree I would try to correct him slick treeing.
I would not breed your female until you figure this dog out, there are too many real good stud dogs to breed to, rather than breeding to this dog and possibly passing on some very bad traits.
Just my 2 cents
 
I love a dog that trees back off the tree and watches, especially when running bobcats. More than one bobcat has been lost to dogs treeing so hard on the wood that they don't see the cat squirt out of there. Also when a cat jumps they like to do it on the uphill side and most dogs like I described will be sitting right where the cat wants to jump looking at the cat, seems to make them hold better. Eye contact is a powerfull thing. I wouldn't worry about the dog not being on the wood if he is showing a tree. If he is just milling around barking up but not on a particular tree then he is not a good locater. What I would worry about is the dog treeing on empty trees. If you are 100% sure there is nothing in the tree cut a switch and pop him and send him on. If he trees and has the meat praise him up and let him know that you are happy with him. If you can't find the game but aren't 100% sure that it's not there send him on with no praise or punishment. I definately wouldn't breed the dog but that's up to you. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the info guys, but I am going to breed the dog.


Both dogs have a pretty good looking pedigree. I think this problem can be fixed. Maybe Im just not seeing the coon. When he does tree its extremely difficult to get him away from the tree. Maybe its me and not him
 
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getfoxy
This is my opion!! Just cause the hound has a good ped dont mean its a good one to breed to!! Many, many hounds are bred from good hounds and dont turn out!! When i beed a hound it is out of hounds that have proven them selfs many times!!
For a example. I breed my sandy and Hunter hounds a couple years ago. The litter did not turn out cause the pups were way to big for coyote hounds.
Both hounds are on the bigger side but the litter didnt turn out. The 2 hounds are my fav hounds in my kennel.
I have 3 litters on the ground out of my Rhino hound!! The first 2 litters all turned out very nice hounds!! So i made a 3 cross this time with my Sandy hound. The pups are looking very good for their age. My opion is to breed from proven stalk!!

Vargy
 
Thanks for all of the info guys

Well the dogs are still learning. If you watch the dogs right now, you can tell the female has potential. The male, we arent sure of yet. He is starting his own trail, hes treeing, and hes not running deer. I think they are going to make it. The male isnt stupid, he knows what hes suppose to do, but there is still some fine tuning to be done.
 
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getfoxy
This is my opion!! Just cause the hound has a good ped dont mean its a good one to breed to!! Many, many hounds are bred from good hounds and dont turn out!! When i beed a hound it is out of hounds that have proven them selfs many times!!
For a example. I breed my sandy and Hunter hounds a couple years ago. The litter did not turn out cause the pups were way to big for coyote hounds.
Both hounds are on the bigger side but the litter didnt turn out. The 2 hounds are my fav hounds in my kennel.
I have 3 litters on the ground out of my Rhino hound!! The first 2 litters all turned out very nice hounds!! So i made a 3 cross this time with my Sandy hound. The pups are looking very good for their age. My opion is to breed from proven stalk!!

Vargy

I agree even with the very best pedigrees and breeding the best to the best does not guarantee nothing so you might as well increase your ods and breed the very best dogs and the very best pedigrees.
What are the lines of walkers I would love to see the pedigrees on them.
 
breed two national champion dogs and chances of getting a national champing pup is not very likely, but if you want to know what kinda dogs they are going to throw go back and look at the grandparents and study up from there. I agree with these other fellows don't breed till yopur 100% positive of what you are breeding.

if you don't know what you got, you don,t know what you will get. And you can buy a pup alot cheaper than you can raise a litter, if you just look around. this is all my opion.
 
I dont have the males back yet but Here is the females. This is the left side of the paper. (im not good at typing a pedigree)

Sire CH GRNITECH'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR.

Sire GRNITECH 'PR' STYLISH SACKETT III


Dam GRNITECH 'PR' SCHERSALS' STYLISH HANNA

Sire GRCH GRNITECH 'PR' SILVER CREEK SETH

Dam 'PR' JASONS JAMMIN JILL

Dam NITECH'PR' SANDY HILL DUSTIE
 
Here is the right side


Sire GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT

Dam GRNITECH 'PR' SKEANS DOLLY

Sire GRNITECH 'PR' HARD KNOCKIN STYLISH HAYES

Dam GRNITECH 'PR' SCHMERSALS STYLISH ANNA

Sire GRCH GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER FRANK

Dam NITECH 'PR' MAPLE RIDGE RUDY

Sire CH GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR.

Dam NITECH 'PR' MILLERS BAWLIN BECKY
 
I will just say ,don't breed the stud till he is proven.Paper is good, but performance is better. Don't ever breed to a dink ,no matter how good the paper.
 
Ok need some more help. I am new to hunting with hounds, (sort of).

The paper looks good. I have seen him tree. I have seen him tree a couple of times. I just havent been able to see the coon.

Is this a pretty good start? Given the above information, what would you start doing from here on out?
 
As of now there are plenty of proven hounds that you can breed to!! I would wait another year on this hound until he has done his job and done it well!!

Vargy
 
What are you hunting and trying to accomplish by breeding?

This pedigree and line of dogs are strictly warmer nosed UKC competition night hunt lines. They do pretty well for coon hunting but aren't much on big game.

Frank Giddings in Michigan owned the Rock River dogs including Sacket, Sacket Jr. and Frank. I believe all 3 are now dead.
 
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What are you hunting and trying to accomplish by breeding?

This pedigree and line of dogs are strictly warmer nosed UKC competition night hunt lines. They do pretty well for coon hunting but aren't much on big game.

Frank Giddings in Michigan owned the Rock River dogs including Sacket, Sacket Jr. and Frank. I believe all 3 are now dead.



Im hunting racoons, and trying to accomplish nothing by breedidng. I just think they are going to make good pups
 
Didn't mean it to sound like an inquiry. For coon hunting you've good a good line.

I'm surprised your male doesn't tree harder. The Sacket dogs were stand on the tree every breath tree dogs. Good luck with your dogs.
 
An old breeder told me once "breed the best to the best and hope for the best".I ran the competition circuit several years.I don't know how many Gr.NT.Champions that couldn't even tree their own coon.I would definitely look around for a proven stud.Not just one that has a full page ad in the Cooner,plus what I like in a hound,you might not.Do your homework,and ask honest people.You can look at the scorecard following the hunt and you would be supprised how many,alleged super coon hounds got scratched or minused out the next day.Any slick handler can make a poodle in to a grandnite by calling other guys dogs locate.All they have to have is a dog that will cover the tree by the time the cast arrives.Finding a dog that suits you can be harder than picking a wife.Having a good pedigree is just icing on the cake,but those pedigree papers won't put any coons in the tree's.I don't know the age of your male,but it sounds to me like he already has some pretty major faults.I'm not trying to slam your hound,and he might come out of it,but sometimes it's cheaper and not as agravating,if you just cut your losses and move on.Please don't take this to personal,but coming up with a first class coon dog ain't easy to do.
 


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